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mike.l · Apr 23, 2020

Hi i might get my fingers slapped here, but the act of sliding the cross shaft from one side to the plough to the other is not a modification in my eyes as all the adjustment is there from factory the method of doing it is what gets us into trouble . i measured my cross shaft availability this afternoon i have 5" on the left and 3" on the right side looking from back of plough this would work great if i can use it. ( i have been thinking of something like a chain binder as that can give a 25 to 1 advantage so more than i need i think also easy to carry. the international b12 plough has a centre flat bar in the frame that could work to my advantage.) Going back to the unmodified plough police, would a chain binder be classified as a tool from my tool box just like a spanner or a modification going off track again but i might learn from you guys then it will be a good day. mike ( as here its 1 degree and cold rain)

Ley253 · Apr 23, 2020

arcobob said:
You are dead right. Most of them would not know an unmodified plough if they saw one. A certain lack of knowledge maybe or just no bloody brains perhaps.

None so blind as them what dont want to see.

Cordiale · May 8, 2020

How many of you guys on here advocate lifting the front leg on the opening, and by how much. What are the pro's and cons? Or do you just use the top link and levelling boxes to produce the desired result?

arcobob · May 8, 2020

I lift the front leg on the beam by about 20mm , which is about the minimum before the holes join. Under hard conditions I still have reservations about the second run with too much pressure on the bottom of the front board due to laying to the right in order to compensate. I really feel that the leg should be lowered again for this second run and then raised again for the chip and crown. Sadly I am too old and running out of energy

Howard150 · May 8, 2020

Cordiale said:
How many of you guys on here advocate lifting the front leg on the opening, and by how much. What are the pro's one cons? Or do you just use the top link and levelling boxes to produce the desire reult?

lifting the front leg for the first run ensures that the front body does not turn anything out under the first furrow of the chip. I used always to lift it for the final run. That way it’s already set for next time. You can make yourself problems, more often than not with the length of the top link which has a bearing as to how far the plough is laid into the work. Too far and you have problems.
Having gone back to trailing ploughs then I dont lift anything anytime now.enough leg lifters about as it is!

Cordiale · May 8, 2020

arcobob said:
I lift the front leg on the beam by about 20mm , which is about the minimum before the holes join. Under hard conditions I still have reservations about the second run with too much pressure on the bottom of the front board due to laying to the right in order to compensate. I really feel that the leg should be lowered again for this second run and then raised again for the chip and crown. Sadly I am too old and running out of energy

I know from seeing your pictures and reading your posts Bob, that you are a very good engineer. Have you not tried to make a winding mechanism to make moving the leg up and down easier, like the KV boys do?

Cordiale · May 8, 2020

Howard150 said:
lifting the front leg for the first run ensures that the front body does not turn anything out under the first furrow of the chip. I used always to lift it for the final run. That way it’s already set for next time. You can make yourself problems, more often than not with the length of the top link which has a bearing as to how far the plough is laid into the work. Too far and you have problems.
Having gone back to trailing ploughs then I dont lift anything anytime now.enough leg lifters about as it is!

How high do you lift your leg? Did you leave it up until the crown was complete. From your pictures it doesn't look like leg lifting would be of any benefit with your trailing plough.

Howard150 · May 8, 2020

My 86 has 5 sets of holes, all arranged so you can hinge it one set at a time. One correct, one lower and 3 higher.

arcobob · May 9, 2020

Cordiale said:
I know from seeing your pictures and reading your posts Bob, that you are a very good engineer. Have you not tried to make a winding mechanism to make moving the leg up and down easier, like the KV boys do?

I have thought about it but not studied what the KV boys do. They don`t exist where I plough these days.

Cordiale · May 9, 2020

arcobob said:
I have thought about it but not studied what the KV boys do. They don`t exist where I plough these days.

No I know. When I say KV boys I suppose I mean those with world style ploughs. I think they slot the front leg holes and have a winding device to lift and lower the the leg. I presume the bolts are tightened when the leg is in the desired position. Just wondered why nobody seems to have done a similar thing with a ransomes.

Tonym · May 9, 2020

I have slotted the front leg and made a winder on my TS59. makes it quick and easy to lift the leg. Well worth the time and effort.

wuddy · May 9, 2020

Cordiale said:
No I know. When I say KV boys I suppose I mean those with world style ploughs. I think they slot the front leg holes and have a winding device to lift and lower the the leg. I presume the bolts are tightened when the leg is in the desired position. Just wondered why nobody seems to have done a similar thing with a ransomes.

Guy local to me has done it to his uncles ts59, mine is bored so you remove one bolt swing leg up put bolt in top hole the do the same with the other bolt!

MrNoo · May 9, 2020

wuddy said:
Guy local to me has done it to his uncles ts59, mine is bored so you remove one bolt swing leg up put bolt in top hole the do the same with the other bolt!

Done the same to my Robin, didnt bore the leg, just welded two plates onto the top edge of the frame, very quick and easy to lift it, bolt out, tilt it, put bolt in and then do the same with the other one.

Tonym · May 9, 2020

I did it that way at first but the winder is quicker and effortless by comparison.
Also did the rear but hardly ever use it.

wuddy · May 9, 2020

MrNoo said:
Done the same to my Robin, didnt bore the leg, just welded two plates onto the top edge of the frame, very quick and easy to lift it, bolt out, tilt it, put bolt in and then do the same with the other one.

Problem is that moves leg to much for second run of the opening!

MrNoo · May 9, 2020

wuddy said:
Problem is that moves leg to much for second run of the opening!

Yes, quite possibly although not tried it yet, think it raises it 1 1/2"

wuddy · May 9, 2020

MrNoo said:
Yes, quite possibly although not tried it yet, think it raises it 1 1/2"

Yes it’s to much! I have my 59 leg bored and the holes are as close together as I dared even then it’s on the limit!

mike.l · May 9, 2020

Hi i am a little slow to get the reason to do, change the leg position I like most others lift the front board with the winder and a few of us remove the front share as well . but would the reason to lift the leg be just to get the rear board to run flatter and cut a wider furrow on the first pass Would this also tie in with the plowing the chip over easier Mike

Fergie Ploughman · May 9, 2020

More accepted in classic than vintage. its yet another thing to do and forget to put back to normal when your ploughing. I think you can do a perfectly acceptable split without lifting your leg. Its also yet another mod that takes the plough away from what was originally manufactured, I’m not a great fan of it...

wuddy · May 9, 2020

mike.l said:
Hi i am a little slow to get the reason to do, change the leg position I like most others lift the front board with the winder and a few of us remove the front share as well . but would the reason to lift the leg be just to get the rear board to run flatter and cut a wider furrow on the first pass Would this also tie in with the plowing the chip over easier Mike

There are a few reasons, the plough is lying more in its ploughing position, yes it does leave a slightly wider furrow bottom also you aren’t running with a longer than usual toplink so plough doesn’t have the tendency to ride out at hard wheelings and tramlines which in turn gives a more consistent furr over the length of the plot! I don’t think you need to have the first run just as deep when the plough is sitting level as well which gives more soil to work with. It certainly isn’t necessary to do it just makes life a little easier.

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