So Booths....we are not key workers

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Yes farmers are key workers.

Do I want farmers to be able to skip the queues in the supermarket at random. No, but what I would like them to be able to do is book a slot, to enable them to turn up, walk in get their supplies and get out again.

Key workers shouldn't have to queue it's a waste of their time when they are trying to keep the nation fed watered and cared for.
 
Yes farmers are key workers.

Do I want farmers to be able to skip the queues in the supermarket at random. No, but what I would like them to be able to do is book a slot, to enable them to turn up, walk in get their supplies and get out again.

Key workers shouldn't have to queue it's a waste of their time when they are trying to keep the nation fed watered and cared for.
You can do that with 'click and collect'.

I'd respectfully suggest that if key workers (myself included) have time to post on social media and internet forums during the day, then they have time to join the rest of the civ pop and shuffle along in the socially-distanced queue.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
You can do that with 'click and collect'.

I'd respectfully suggest that if key workers (myself included) have time to post on social media and internet forums during the day, then they have time to join the rest of the civ pop and shuffle along in the socially-distanced queue.
Queue in local store was 90 minutes. Plus 20 mins drive time each way.

Glad you have 2 hours to spare .
Many farmers also have vulnerable people who they look after, asthma, CLPD,heart problems, elderly relatives.
The longer you are out the higher the risk.
Many do not have the broadband capacity or even an account for click and collect.
Just because I'm alright jack doesn't mean other aren't!
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Queue in local store was 90 minutes. Plus 20 mins drive time each way.

Glad you have 2 hours to spare .
Many farmers also have vulnerable people who they look after, asthma, CLPD,heart problems, elderly relatives.
The longer you are out the higher the risk.
Many do not have the broadband capacity or even an account for click and collect.
Just because I'm alright jack doesn't mean other aren't!


Don't forget to include farm workers (y)
 

Tonka

Member
Location
N Yorkshire
Struggle why any of us should be jumping the queue. Fortunately able to continue working as normal. Unlike many.
Get a life - queuing for half an hour, nattering to your neighbour in the queue, you could have done a very positive job selling your worth in that queue! Instead you've left another sour note of a whinging farmer. No wonder no one loves us [emoji107]
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Struggle why any of us should be jumping the queue. Fortunately able to continue working as normal. Unlike many.
Get a life - queuing for half an hour, nattering to your neighbour in the queue, you could have done a very positive job selling your worth in that queue! Instead you've left another sour note of a whinging farmer. No wonder no one loves us [emoji107]
Don't really want to be even in the shop tbh.

It increases the risk.
Have a search on tinternet about how far water droplets from a cough or a sneeze can carry. How far away can you smell a cigarette or someone vaping from?

Standing in the queue is still a risk, face mask and gloves are a minimum if you dare to venture into town.

Not whinging but who is going to do the work on the farm if you all get struck down with coronvirus? It's not like you can just call in furlonged staff to cover is it?
 
Get over yourselves.
I can't think of a better job to be in right now.
I could make a long, long list of people who should get priority treatment before we do.
Really
poultry farmers slaughtering early to reduce egg production
hatchery destroying 1 .5 million egg because of no market
prices down on beef and sheep because of low demand
milk Being poured down the drain as no market
soft fruit and veg will be left in the field due to availability of pickers
restraints shut so no market for
barley not needed for beer production
wheat Consumption down due to food services being shut
worst wheat crop for 40 years

furthers a field
pigs and chickens being euthanased due to slaughter houses shut and no space to keep them

we live in a society where we need every one to carry out their role
some jobs can be paused for a few weeks but are eventually essential for every ones wellbeing
food needs producing each season and storing for year round consumption
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
Queue in local store was 90 minutes. Plus 20 mins drive time each way.

Glad you have 2 hours to spare .
Many farmers also have vulnerable people who they look after, asthma, CLPD,heart problems, elderly relatives.
The longer you are out the higher the risk.
Many do not have the broadband capacity or even an account for click and collect.
Just because I'm alright jack doesn't mean other aren't!

That’s nothing to do with the person being a farmer though, is it? And I’m sure that all those who are (or look after those who are) vulnerable are being prioritised.
 

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jondear

Member
Location
Devon
Don't really want to be even in the shop tbh.

It increases the risk.
Have a search on tinternet about how far water droplets from a cough or a sneeze can carry. How far away can you smell a cigarette or someone vaping from?

Standing in the queue is still a risk, face mask and gloves are a minimum if you dare to venture into town.

Not whinging but who is going to do the work on the farm if you all get struck down with coronvirus? It's not like you can just call in furlonged staff to cover is it?
I would be pretty much stuffed if I got it . Purely because my 72 year old father wouldn't be able to cope with the work.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Honestly it’s by far the worst farmer social media I’ve seen.
Seems to be a lot of small scale livestock farmers with a massive chip on their shoulder
ever considered that livestock farmers get more hassle from joe/jane public walkers than arable farmers ? if an arable farmer's gate is left open would the corn get out ? do arable farmers get their corn chased and killed by dogs ? can dog sh1t cause corn to abort ?
some walkers are well capable of abuse not to mention thieving and vandalism
two sides to every story you know
that said we have footpaths through the farm and have had very little trouble with walkers as a rule just let them get on,
we did get trouble on some land we use to rent, in the end we gave it up as the hassle and mess made it not worth having
 

DRC

Member
Waitrose of the North. Mainly Cheshire / Lancashire.
Hadn’t heard of them until my daughter was at uni in Lancaster . In Shropshire and surrounding area, we have Tuffins and Stans , both independent supermarkets and very popular and well stocked with locally produced meat etc.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
If a farmer is a keyworker which is fair enough what about the milk tanker driver or the feed delivery driver or those working in abattoirs or flour mills or those in machinery dealerships or those people packing vegetables. The Supermarkets may claim to be feeding the nation but they're getting a bit of help and it's not just from farmers. Yes we produce food but not for altruistic ways but we get paid to do it.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
If a farmer is a keyworker which is fair enough what about the milk tanker driver or the feed delivery driver or those working in abattoirs or flour mills or those in machinery dealerships or those people packing vegetables. The Supermarkets may claim to be feeding the nation but they're getting a bit of help and it's not just from farmers. Yes we produce food but not for altruistic ways but we get paid to do it.
Yep they are key workers as well
 
Queue in local store was 90 minutes. Plus 20 mins drive time each way.

Glad you have 2 hours to spare .
Many farmers also have vulnerable people who they look after, asthma, CLPD,heart problems, elderly relatives.
The longer you are out the higher the risk.
Many do not have the broadband capacity or even an account for click and collect.
Just because I'm alright jack doesn't mean other aren't!
I have a similar drive-time but have found that the length of the queues vary depending on the time and day. 6pm on a Saturday seems to be quiet and queue-less. I'm also glad I have two hours to spare for shopping each week and I'd suggest that anyone who can't find a couple of hours once a week to get their shopping really should be re-evaluating their work/life balance since there are 168 hours in each week, more if you live with at least one other adult and count man-hours, and the big-name supermarkets are open for about half of those.

I doubt that just being outside increases the risk - it very much depends on how many people you interact with while you are out so it would be fairer to say that each contact increases the risk. Apart from occasionally getting things off the top shelf for other shoppers, personally I don't have any contact with people whilst in the supermarket. Also thinking more broadly and considering the ONS map of cv19 deaths around England and Wales, those of us lucky enough to be living away from large urban centres are at much lower risk than most of the population.

I also appreciate that people are caring for vulnerable and elderly relatives or neighbours but there are simple things you can do to mitigate the risk when shopping as the virus can only get into you via your eyes, nose and mouth: wear a mask and safety glasses or a mask and perspex face shield; take handwashing soap, water, bucket and blue roll with you to wash your hands at your vehicle; take bleach spray to disinfect your trolley handle; use a stylus (hoofpick is great) for pushing keypad buttons when paying by card; stick to a simple disinfecting routine at all times when returning to the car - I pop the boot, wash my hands, bleach spray the key fob, shopping bag handles and door handles.

Additionally, your elderly and vulnerable people should be entitled to a priority online shopping slot and therefore be able to create an account, or their carers who are doing their shopping can do it for them. Slow broadband is an issue, yes. I know of a couple of people in the depths of Norfolk who have their adult children living elsewhere arrange their online shopping for them and I'm happy to do the same for friends and family who are vulnerable and without access to online shopping as my broadband is reasonable (I have done this in the past, pre-cv19 days, for a friend 300 miles away who lived alone and broke her hip). Heck, Sid, send me your list and I'll do your shopping.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
If a farmer is a keyworker which is fair enough what about the milk tanker driver or the feed delivery driver or those working in abattoirs or flour mills or those in machinery dealerships or those people packing vegetables. The Supermarkets may claim to be feeding the nation but they're getting a bit of help and it's not just from farmers. Yes we produce food but not for altruistic ways but we get paid to do it.

The ‘getting paid to do it’ argument is nonsense. I can’t think of any on the key workers list who aren’t getting paid to do it. All are essential cogs in a wheel, or most anyway.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
I have a similar drive-time but have found that the length of the queues vary depending on the time and day. 6pm on a Saturday seems to be quiet and queue-less. I'm also glad I have two hours to spare for shopping each week and I'd suggest that anyone who can't find a couple of hours once a week to get their shopping really should be re-evaluating their work/life balance since there are 168 hours in each week, more if you live with at least one other adult and count man-hours, and the big-name supermarkets are open for about half of those.

I doubt that just being outside increases the risk - it very much depends on how many people you interact with while you are out so it would be fairer to say that each contact increases the risk. Apart from occasionally getting things off the top shelf for other shoppers, personally I don't have any contact with people whilst in the supermarket. Also thinking more broadly and considering the ONS map of cv19 deaths around England and Wales, those of us lucky enough to be living away from large urban centres are at much lower risk than most of the population.

I also appreciate that people are caring for vulnerable and elderly relatives or neighbours but there are simple things you can do to mitigate the risk when shopping as the virus can only get into you via your eyes, nose and mouth: wear a mask and safety glasses or a mask and perspex face shield; take handwashing soap, water, bucket and blue roll with you to wash your hands at your vehicle; take bleach spray to disinfect your trolley handle; use a stylus (hoofpick is great) for pushing keypad buttons when paying by card; stick to a simple disinfecting routine at all times when returning to the car - I pop the boot, wash my hands, bleach spray the key fob, shopping bag handles and door handles.

Additionally, your elderly and vulnerable people should be entitled to a priority online shopping slot and therefore be able to create an account, or their carers who are doing their shopping can do it for them. Slow broadband is an issue, yes. I know of a couple of people in the depths of Norfolk who have their adult children living elsewhere arrange their online shopping for them and I'm happy to do the same for friends and family who are vulnerable and without access to online shopping as my broadband is reasonable (I have done this in the past, pre-cv19 days, for a friend 300 miles away who lived alone and broke her hip). Heck, Sid, send me your list and I'll do your shopping.

Seems like to me that you are thinking of your own situation rather than your own.

Spare time I have yes, spend it shopping no thanks. With or without Coronovirus around I have better things to do with my time as do many others.

You doubt spending time outside near others increases the risk. Why have we all been told to stay in globally except for essential needs. I will listen to the experts on that one ta.

Yes disinfecting is a good idea, even things that have been handled by others is a risk. You can be as safe as you like but one cough on fresh fruit and veg could infect loads of people!
You do not have to be remote to suffer with poor broadband. 3 miles from an exchange on copper wire is enough to leave you with 0.5 meg of broadband speed. Online shopping is impossible with that and then you need an up to date computer or tablet.

Do my shopping for me, thanks I'll have a case of malt whisky please ASAP if you don't mind!
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
The ‘getting paid to do it’ argument is nonsense. I can’t think of any on the key workers list who aren’t getting paid to do it. All are essential cogs in a wheel, or most anyway.
How many of those "key workers" are getting extra for the risk they are taking?
 

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