76masseyman
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- Lincolncestershire
What is the age limit please ?
Jury service
- Thread starter Jack Russell
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A Trebor
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- Isle of Axholme
Wife excused for life as has MS and would struggles to maintain concentration over a long period of time. Was quite upset as she wanted to do it but not allowed
I expect to be criticised for this.
Firstly I completly support delaying jury service until a different time of the year. As seasonal workers, this is a fair requiest IMO.
Second, I support not doing it due to a genuine medical condition.
However, I have to say, i get a feeling when reading this, and a discussion at work earlier in the eyar, most people dont want to do it and try and avoid it as far as they can. I disagree with this.
If I ever stand in the dock (remember, at that time your innocent until proven guilty) i really want 12 of the countries decent personnel to listen to my case and form the RIGHT decision.
If everyone avoids it, then the chance for a fair hearing, as written in the Magna Carta, in 1215 is lost.
Just my opinion!
Firstly I completly support delaying jury service until a different time of the year. As seasonal workers, this is a fair requiest IMO.
Second, I support not doing it due to a genuine medical condition.
However, I have to say, i get a feeling when reading this, and a discussion at work earlier in the eyar, most people dont want to do it and try and avoid it as far as they can. I disagree with this.
If I ever stand in the dock (remember, at that time your innocent until proven guilty) i really want 12 of the countries decent personnel to listen to my case and form the RIGHT decision.
If everyone avoids it, then the chance for a fair hearing, as written in the Magna Carta, in 1215 is lost.
Just my opinion!
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
When I was in the Army and at the Bar I was ineligible, although I was called for it then. Since being unregistered as a Barrister (the new term for non-practising) I haven't been asked once!
I'd be happy to do it; firstly out of professional interest, because having spent enough time in front of juries it would be fascinating to see it from the other side. Secondly, because, as @Bloders has written, it's a civic duty that guarantees we'll all get a fair hearing.
Don't get me wrong, the vast majority of people being prosecuted are patently guilty. But some aren't, even if they look as though they might well be at law, and that, as far as 'justice' goes, is where having a jury puts Common Law jurisdictions in front of others.
It's our guarantee that the State can't hijack justice, and its value should never be underestimated; the time, inconvenience and expense involved really, really are all well worth it for that reason alone.
I'd be happy to do it; firstly out of professional interest, because having spent enough time in front of juries it would be fascinating to see it from the other side. Secondly, because, as @Bloders has written, it's a civic duty that guarantees we'll all get a fair hearing.
Don't get me wrong, the vast majority of people being prosecuted are patently guilty. But some aren't, even if they look as though they might well be at law, and that, as far as 'justice' goes, is where having a jury puts Common Law jurisdictions in front of others.
It's our guarantee that the State can't hijack justice, and its value should never be underestimated; the time, inconvenience and expense involved really, really are all well worth it for that reason alone.
I was told that you can defer once fairly easily - if called again you need a strong reason not to do it.
I agree with Bloders - it is important that the jury is made up of a representative selection of society. There is a danger that everyone of working age gets out of it, leaving juries made up of the retired and unemployed
I agree with Bloders - it is important that the jury is made up of a representative selection of society. There is a danger that everyone of working age gets out of it, leaving juries made up of the retired and unemployed
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- Sedgefield
You can get him to write to them or you do it and defer.
my key staff member gotjury service and we said he is a single bloke on a farm with animals to look after and the key harvest worker and he got deferred.
my key staff member gotjury service and we said he is a single bloke on a farm with animals to look after and the key harvest worker and he got deferred.
Netherfield
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- West Yorkshire
One of the cattle men got the call some years ago, it landed just after turnout so not too bad.
He went to Bradford from Huddersfield 10 days, got selected for two cases, both got called off at the last minute because the defendants then decided to plead guilty.
He described it as the most boring two weeks of his life, nothing to do but hang around waiting.
He went to Bradford from Huddersfield 10 days, got selected for two cases, both got called off at the last minute because the defendants then decided to plead guilty.
He described it as the most boring two weeks of his life, nothing to do but hang around waiting.
I did jury service a few years ago, was in full time employment at the time as well as having the farm. They pay you a set amount each day, my employer ( a large one) made up the difference so I did not lose out financially, in fact with the meal allowance each day I was in pocket as I only have a sandwich in the middle of the day. Was called up for two weeks, had a case in the first week but then dismissed for the second week. It was interesting to see how things work but involved long periods of boredom, not in court when they were discussing finer points of law etc.
Finally, never end up in front of a jury who have several smokers, you are locked away in a room and no chance of nipping out for a quick fag so by the end you would say the most saintly person was guilty just to get out for a smoke.
Finally, never end up in front of a jury who have several smokers, you are locked away in a room and no chance of nipping out for a quick fag so by the end you would say the most saintly person was guilty just to get out for a smoke.
Y Fan Wen
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- N W Snowdonia
A juror must be registered to vote. A juror must be aged between 18 and 70 years. Although this paper does not raise the issue there are currently many who are eligible but are not registered to vote and are not called for jury service.
www.judiciary.uk
Tarw Coch
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- Bottom of Wats Dyke
I wouldn’t disagree about jury service being a civic duty but it’s undoubtedly more difficult for some. For small businesses a couple of weeks jury service can mean being without a major, possibly irreplaceable part of the workforce, manageable if work isn’t time critical but for jobs where the work must continue whatever it can be problematic at best, agriculture must be one of the worst industries for jury service being a major problem, as such it’s hardly surprising there’s interest in how to get out of it, not because of a lack of interest in civic duty but due to the shear impracticality.
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- Cheshire
I was summoned in February a few years back. At the time it was just me and 73 year old Grandad. I wrote back too them explaining the welfare implications of me not being on site for the livestock (would have too leave in dark & get home after dark). I got a letter back telling me they quite understood my position, thanked me for my time and took me off the list.
Not sure how you would word it for an arable farm.
I agree we should all do jury duty but those of us who have livestock too care for don't have the luxury of time to waste off farm. I say waste as 3 of my friends have all done it, 1 actually sat in for a proper interesting case, the other 2 spent more time sat in the anti room before being dismissed to go home. Fine if you work in an office, not so when you have a few thousand sheep and sheds full of cattle too feed.
Not sure how you would word it for an arable farm.
I agree we should all do jury duty but those of us who have livestock too care for don't have the luxury of time to waste off farm. I say waste as 3 of my friends have all done it, 1 actually sat in for a proper interesting case, the other 2 spent more time sat in the anti room before being dismissed to go home. Fine if you work in an office, not so when you have a few thousand sheep and sheds full of cattle too feed.
that implies my office job is not important, or at least less importatnt than your job?
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- Bedfordshire
I was called up for September and just wrote back saying I would do it in February. They wrote back saying that was fine.
Or pretend you are deaf.
Or pretend you are deaf.
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- Cheshire
If you don't turn up for work in your office your computer isn't likely to break out from its electric fence and go marauding down the main road towards the M6. If a loose dog gets into your office it wont chase your computer or paperwork into the river. If you don't go into the office its unlikely that your computer will try too jump between pens and get hung up by the back leg. Its easier to find people to cover your work in an office setting. I don't like the idea of paying someone too look after my livestock.
Its not about whose job is more important. Its about who's job carries more responsibilities, if those escaped sheep aren't put back and the fence fixed quickly they could cause a serious accident or get killed themselves. the police will want to know whats happening. if it causes my winter keep provider serious inconvenience and they tell me not too come back next year that has a serious impact on my reputation and business.
If no-one is there to pull those sheep from the river and they drown it costs me financially and could result in visits from the RSPCA or trading standards if the wrong person calls the wrong people.
If I check the cattle at 6.30am before leaving and a bull jumps a gate at 7.00am, it would be 6.30pm before I got home to find him, in the mean time his leg has broken, the gate has come off and two pens of bulls have mixed and fought until they killed another one.
All the while your computer is sat in the office switched off, not doing anything very much.
Yes, I'm looking at the worst case scenarios but you have to be prepared to drop EVERYTHING and go and sort things out before the worst happens. If i'm stuck in a courtroom 30 miles away thats a lot of time for things too go even more wrong.
kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
I'd say it would be a easy number for a sheep and beef farmer. Don't think court starts early, feed/checks before you go, back by 4 or 5 same again.
Stock will be alone no longer than they are at night and you get paid to attend, which must be important because I've heard there's no money in farming.
Ivorbiggun
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- Norfolk
With all the people being on furlough or been layed off there shouldn’t be a need to use a key worker.
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- Scottish Highlands
Plenty of office workers out there with far more time and life critical jobs than farmers.
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- Cheshire
not that simple when you have sheep spread over a 30 mile radius from the home unit. had too be there for 9, that means leaving home at 7 too get into the city. In February its pitch black. finished between 4 & 5 if not dismissed before. so 2 hours home puts it at 7pm, again its pitch black.
Might fit some people, completely impractical for me
Being self employed I would receive no more money than I would at home as it is based on an average of 3 months income.
Tarw Coch
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- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Such as?
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- Scottish Highlands
Medical secretaries/ Testing lab admin
Safety critical engineering functions.
Power station control room
Ambulance dispatchers.
Air traffic controllers.
and plenty more.