glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Every tenant who is losing ot leaving a tenancy id not b ering rrplaced
Attention landlords
- Thread starter Billboy1
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As opposed to the person who manages it? Not all landlords contribute much towards the upkeep of their properties.
two-cylinder
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- Location
- Cambridge
The average rent round here at the moment is about £150 an acre (tenant claiming BPS).
But after BPS goes to nothing some tenants appear to expect rent to fall accordingly?
Rents will fall, but I doubt by as much as some think?
I envisage rent falling to about £100, at that rate the landlord is taking a hit but the tenant is paying more.
I cannot see them falling so far that the tenant is paying less than today's rent minus BPS.
But after BPS goes to nothing some tenants appear to expect rent to fall accordingly?
Rents will fall, but I doubt by as much as some think?
I envisage rent falling to about £100, at that rate the landlord is taking a hit but the tenant is paying more.
I cannot see them falling so far that the tenant is paying less than today's rent minus BPS.
- Location
- Devon
More than 160 acres...
Must be good land or with a very nice house for £12.5k/acre.
100 cattle for the 80 acres would be £100,000.
A tractor- £50k
I'm just highlighting the flaw in Glasshouse's plan that judging what we are worth is rather difficult. It would seem an excellent idea to find a way of curtailing payments to the RSPB, Dyson et al.
So, what happens instead? Let to the local big contractor with ambitious spreadsheets and X thousand acres already? Tree planting?
Not round here
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
Could be worse - farms could be subject to a "Full repairing and insuring lease" like a lot of commercial premises!
Some are. Older aha tenancies mostly. I have plenty of responsibilities on my farm.
You might be right. Depends what the LL can get out of doing not a lot in ELMS. If that is only £50/ac why wouldn't they let for £70 to a tenant? The big fly in the ointment locally is AD rents as their subsidy isn't going to disappear AFAIK so they can keep paying plenty.
Bossfarmer
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- Location
- between Perth and Inverness
its the governments job to look after food security, this dramatically drops if you remove support, also because its factored into creating a bargain for the UK public, cheap food below the true cost of production
Many are.
The government's idea of food security and yours are two very different things. Have you considered that foreign farmers might not be losing money on their exports to us?
Bossfarmer
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- Location
- between Perth and Inverness
most farmers the world over are loosing money the world over if you take away support payments and put in true costs
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
So what's happening to the land when the tenant leaves?
two-cylinder
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- Location
- Cambridge
Exactly, the same applies for land suitable for potato/veg growing.
Prices will not fall far where there is competition
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Most dont “ leeave”, they are evicted
The landlord then hooks into the govt honeypot for subsidies, which tenants are largely excluded from.
Result is rural depopulation
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
So tenants really are just glorified employees?
The landlord finds another way to make money from their land and moves on.
No different than a farmer stopping milking to grow wheat and making the herdsman redundant, or getting a contract farmer in and laying off their own staff.
If you want to control what happens on the land, you have to own it, simple as that.
Not saying it's right but that's just the way it is.
BPS has never been relevant to spud growing but there are big parts of the country where spuds aren’t grown
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Its not the way it is at all.its not driven my market economics, its driven by misguided govt subsidies
Mixedupfarmer
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- Location
- Norfolk
And over generous tax advantages for land owners making land too dear