All things beef

[phil the cat]

Would you keep
One, both or neither as potential stock bulls? Ampertaine gigolo sons the wider one is feb 16 and the left is april 16 born
First time we've kept bulls so not used to what to look for!

 

[beefandsleep]

I wouldn't rule out the one on the left if his growth is exceptional and his dam is milky with a good udder to use for breeding replacements. If his dlwg and his dam are average then obviously not.

 

[phil the cat]

Got a post from you @S J H on the email but can't see it on here. They've both been in the creep and on a growers ration ATM with the other wiened calves. It's Langwith mcewan on the left and Langwith Maloney on the right. Maloney got a bad case of crypto as a calf before we were using halocur but has recovered pretty well. Not sure on DLWG as we don't currently own any scales but it's on the wish list!

Stats wise they're both good on BV but not so good on calving ease. Both from nice cows, we're using the one on the lefts brother on our own commercial lims

 

[phil the cat]

 

[gone up the hill]

Would you keep
One, both or neither as potential stock bulls? Ampertaine gigolo sons the wider one is feb 16 and the left is april 16 born
First time we've kept bulls so not used to what to look for!

Those cattle are exceptional and a real credit to you

Are they both 16 born??

Personally I would keep the one on the left and put the other in a suckler cow sale that takes bulls.

 

[phil the cat]

Those cattle are exceptional and a real credit to you

Are they both 16 born??

Personally I would keep the one on the left and put the other in a suckler cow sale that takes bulls.

Thanks for the reply and compliments. We bought both dams in with the idea to AI and breed our own bulls so we've only really put the AI straw in and raised em!

 

[gone up the hill]

Thanks for the reply and compliments. We bought both dams in with the idea to AI and breed our own bulls so we've only really put the AI straw in and raised em!

You clearly are doing something right as I attend a lot of store markets a year and it is very rare to see cattle of that quality at that weight at that age.

 

[S J H]

Got a post from you @S J H on the email but can't see it on here. They've both been in the creep and on a growers ration ATM with the other wiened calves. It's Langwith mcewan on the left and Langwith Maloney on the right. Maloney got a bad case of crypto as a calf before we were using halocur but has recovered pretty well. Not sure on DLWG as we don't currently own any scales but it's on the wish list!

Stats wise they're both good on BV but not so good on calving ease. Both from nice cows, we're using the one on the lefts brother on our own commercial lims

I prefer the one on the right, but that's just me. If you've got someone selling stores, then hopefully that's going to put some good width into them. Did you buy the dams from Newark?

 

[phil the cat]

I do go to the society sales at Newark but the dams were both private purchases. If either were suitable and we didn't keep them I'd aim for Newark autumn 2017 although there seems some joy at the high peak sales with cows & calves as suggested earlier. Again, thanks for the kind words @gone up the hill. I like to think we do a reasonable job raising fat beast but know very little about raising bulls. Trying to learn about halter training, diet etc and the thought of getting them ready to put through a ring is daunting!

 

[Johngee]

They both look like good sorts and should sell OK as bulls. Make sure they get plenty of exercise, ideally in a paddock during the day, will help with the locomotion. The feb born one could be ready for sale in midsummer, autumn can be a sticky time to sell bulls.

 

[phil the cat]

They both look like good sorts and should sell OK as bulls. Make sure they get plenty of exercise, ideally in a paddock during the day, will help with the locomotion. The feb born one could be ready for sale in midsummer, autumn can be a sticky time to sell bulls.

Thanks John, good advice all round. Know what you mean about the autumn sales, we've bought bulls in the past in autumn and got some real bargains- not so good when it's the other way round....

 

[liammogs]

Would you keep
One, both or neither as potential stock bulls? Ampertaine gigolo sons the wider one is feb 16 and the left is april 16 born
First time we've kept bulls so not used to what to look for!

Personally i see the one on the right better than the other! But when i started breeding tups best advice i was given was 'if you wouldnt use him yourself why expect other too' lot of cost to get them to a bull sale etc so lots of stuff to consider

 

[Henarar]

Personally i see the one on the right better than the other! But when i started breeding tups best advice i was given was 'if you wouldnt use him yourself why expect other too'

Quite right

lot of cost to get them to a bull sale etc so lots of stuff to consider

A pic in the for sale section on here and lots of other places cots nothing though

 

[liammogs]

Quite right

A pic in the for sale section on here and lots of other places cots nothing though

Yea fair enough but the time, feed, halter breaking etc etc all costs, when he could be sold as a store and another taking his place!

 

[Henarar]

Yea fair enough but the time, feed, halter breaking etc etc all costs, when he could be sold as a store and another taking his place!

I suspect most bulls once they get to their place of work will not see a halter again so no need for that, but I take the point that if you keep them for longer they will need more feed rather than selling store

 

[phil the cat]

Yea fair enough but the time, feed, halter breaking etc etc all costs, when he could be sold as a store and another taking his place!

True, that was the reason for putting the pics on to see the opinions of others. They're on the same ration as the other fat cattle at the moment but was considering getting something extra with some oil in as I've been told it improves skin/coat. There's definitely more options for selling like on here/sell my livestock etc it's just the investment in getting them to that stage but that's the gamble I suppose!

 

[Henarar]

Personally i see the one on the right better than the other! But when i started breeding tups best advice i was given was 'if you wouldnt use him yourself why expect other too'

Quite right

That said different farmers/breeders are looking for different things, what suits one may not be what another is looking for

 

[Ducati899]

I do go to the society sales at Newark but the dams were both private purchases. If either were suitable and we didn't keep them I'd aim for Newark autumn 2017 although there seems some joy at the high peak sales with cows & calves as suggested earlier. Again, thanks for the kind words @gone up the hill. I like to think we do a reasonable job raising fat beast but know very little about raising bulls. Trying to learn about halter training, diet etc and the thought of getting them ready to put through a ring is daunting!

nice looking animals you got there,we bred and showed pedigree lims up until 96 then went into dairying,dad would love to get back into it again if he could

 

[phil the cat]

That said different farmers/breeders are looking for different things, what suits one may not be what another is looking for

I think you're right, certainly how they look at present, the one on the right is looking the better bet. I'm concerned he might end up a touch short with the other being longer but a touch narrow but time will tell!

Thanks for the comments @Ducati899 maybe you could treat father to a bull calf as a late Christmas present??

 

[Ducati899]

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Don't even tempt him,he still goes to Carlisle to see the trade and I dread him coming back with something,although it is nice occasionally to see daughters or granddaughters sold with our old prefix in their breeding