Calciject - Dench?

[Jerry]

Anyone used this:

Net-Tex Calci Ewe Drench - 500ml

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Ive run out of my stash of Blue Top Calciject, and the drench above sounds like it might work OK with added energy and Mg. So a bit like Blue top.

 

[paul&mandy]

We use red top at half rate. Think it's no 5.
There was something I see advertised that's nearer no 6.
Can't find what it was.

 

[Jerry]

We use red top at half rate. Think it's no 5.
There was something I see advertised that's nearer no 6.
Can't find what it was.

Yes red top is fine for Ca but it does not have the energy of Mg that the old blue top had

 

[paul&mandy]

Yes red top is fine for Ca but it does not have the energy of Mg that the old blue top had

I know. Usually give glycol too. Just bugging me what the other blue top substitute was. I thought I saved on my phone but can't find it as I wanted to try it this yr...

 

[Estate fencing.]

We use red top at half rate. Think it's no 5.
There was something I see advertised that's nearer no 6.
Can't find what it was.

Calcibel in a square bottle.

 

[paul&mandy]

Calcibel in a square bottle.View attachment 1164412

That's it. Any good?

 

[Estate fencing.]

That's it. Any good?

Seems as good as caliject.

 

[Sheepykid]

We use red top. With ewe-go as a drench at same time. I’ll see if I can find a link to it. We get it from our vet practise, they’re part of CVS. It seems to work quite well together.

 

[neilo]

Anyone used this:

Net-Tex Calci Ewe Drench - 500ml

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Ive run out of my stash of Blue Top Calciject, and the drench above sounds like it might work OK with added energy and Mg. So a bit like Blue top.

Years ago, we used to use an imported powder for the cows, which we sprinkled on the wet calves as soon as they were born so that the cow licked it off. That was like magic for staving off milk fever, so it can certainly work given orally.
However, when you have a case of milk fever, or CA deficiency in sheep, I would suggest that you need to get it into the bloodstream quickly, so injection would be necessary.

 

[Agrivator]

Calcium Green Top injection costs about £6/400ml bottle. So a single 40 ml injection costs 60p.

Calcibel drench costs about £11/500ml bottle. So a single 100 ml drench costs £2.20.

There might be something extra in the Calcibel drench, but a calcium injection + propylene glycol would be far cheaper and at least as effective.

 

[Agrivator]

For those of you who don't know about A P Supplies,

https://apfarmsupplies.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/APS-Catalogue-2022.pdf

 

[Estate fencing.]

£1.50 is irrelevant if you just inject 60ml into the milk vain and 40ml under the skin then never notice the ewe again.

 

[David.]

For those of you who don't know about A P Supplies,

https://apfarmsupplies.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/APS-Catalogue-2022.pdf

I do, but which product are you referencing?

 

[David.]

I know we were all told at our Granny's knee about killing a ewe by putting calcium in the vein, but has anyone actually done it?
As above, under the skin doesn't give a big enough zonk to a downer, but a prompt dose in the milk vein as well, and they are up and away.

 

[Estate fencing.]

I know we were all told at our Granny's knee about killing a ewe by putting calcium in the vein, but has anyone actually done it?
As above, under the skin doesn't give a big enough zonk to a downer, but a prompt dose in the milk vein as well, and they are up and away.

I thought it was mag not to put into the vain, vet told me you shouldn’t really put cal into the milk vain because if the needle is dirty or dirty belly you can cause an infection that will reduce the milk yield. But still better than a dead ewe she said if your not that confident at finding in the neck. Iv never killed a ewe doing it into the vein but do keep it above the heater in office and use new needles.

 

[copse]

I thought it was mag not to put into the vain, vet told me you shouldn’t really put cal into the milk vain because if the needle is dirty or dirty belly you can cause an infection that will reduce the milk yield. But still better than a dead ewe she said if your not that confident at finding in the neck. Iv never killed a ewe doing it into the vein but do keep it above the heater in office and use new needles.

It is mag which will kill them in the vein and can be used to put a ewe down if that’s the only thing you have on you in an emergency.

 

[Estate fencing.]

It is mag which will kill them in the vein and can be used to put a ewe down if that’s the only thing you have on you in an emergency.

Yes someone told me he did that to a cow once.

 

[Bury the Trash]

If you don't already know, Read the label.

​

Calciject 20 CMD Solution for Injection - No. 6 for Sheep​

Description:
Calciject 20 CMD Solution for Injection - No. 6 for Sheep

Calcium Borogluconate 20% w/v
Magnesium Hypophosphite Hexahydrate 5% w/v
Glucose Monohydrate 22% w/v.

Each 400ml contains:
5.92g Calcium (provided by Calcium Gluconate and Calcium Borogluconate)
1.84g Magnesium (provided by Magnesium Hypophosphite Hexahydrate)
80g Glucose as Glucose Monohydrate
Also contains 3.40% w/v Boric Acid.
Uses
For the treatment of hypocalcaemia complicated by deficiency of magnesium with accompanying hypoglycaemia, in sheep. In the treatment of pregnancy, toxaemia and other metabolic imbalances in periparturient sheep.
Dosage & Administration
For subcutaneous injection only
Sheep: 50 - 80ml
Withdrawal Period
Sheep - meat/milk: Zero days/hours
Contraindictions, Warnings etc
The solution should be warmed to body temperature before administration.

Not to be administered by intravenous or intramuscular routes. Massage site gently after administration.

Care should be taken to avoid accidental self-injection.

Observe aseptic precautions.

Once the vial has been broached the contents should be used within 28 days.

Please see below link to the Veterinary Medicines Product Information Database
http://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/productinformationdatabase/Default.aspx
Size:
400ml

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[David.]

Think the danger was supposed to come from the more concentrated 40% CMP products, which is why the now discontinued blue top No6 was meant to be safer, and the go-to for sheep.
I've always put pure mag under the skin in emergency situations, and a whack of CMP in the vein slowly, for the initial kick, which you don't get under the skin, with animals at death's door with low BP.
You can make them deader than they will be anyway, if you don't act, and I suspect plenty of us can recall some truly spectacular recoveries, from ewes that appeared almost dead.

 

[Bury the Trash]

we are referring to sheep here in this thread.

for anyone unaware number 2 is just calcium and no. 5 has a bit of mag in but its a cattle strength rec.

but none have the addition injectable glucose mores a pity

everything changes , but not necessarily for the better