Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
Do you have the info for this please?
Can I clean my river out?
- Thread starter Beefsmith
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Do you have the info for this please?
Canada Farmer
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Sadly you are spot on, time the pigeons come home to roost, the Minister will have moved after much acclaim regarding cost cutting!
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I've come to the conclusion that there are two kinds of people , those who think ahead and will execute a preventative strategy and those who are merely reactive and have to implement a reactive solution, sadly the latter is more common and all most certainly more expensive long term....
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I've come to the conclusion that there are two kinds of people , those who think ahead and will execute a preventative strategy and those who are merely reactive and have to implement a reactive solution, sadly the latter is more common and all most certainly more expensive long term....
A group effort by a number of farmers removed trees from several miles of a local river two years ago. The initial meeting was organised by local NFU and proper advice was given on what and wasn't allowed.
Trees and the like were fair game. Some with access to big machines were a leetle over enthusiastic but we got the river moving.... Overhanging branches were a PITA for those of us with limited kit, but a long strap and a chainsaw works wonders... I now use the wee Roundup plugs on stumps and bankside saplings to prevent them being an issue 2-3 years down the line.
startinghandle
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I would advise against clearing the river until you have looked into all details. You will have free use of a 360
but will the operator have the necessary certificates ?
I know someone who is now retired that worked for EA for many years told me before any job is done all paperwork has to be completed
but will the operator have the necessary certificates ?
I know someone who is now retired that worked for EA for many years told me before any job is done all paperwork has to be completed
- Location
- sw scotland
For all those proposing JFDI, SEPA (or EA) have various powers. Court is an expensive place but non-compliance with GAEC is an easy target and can quickly reach 10% of your SFP.
Difficult to hide any work once done and can't really blame it on a bad boy who did it and ran away
Difficult to hide any work once done and can't really blame it on a bad boy who did it and ran away
Owning a watercourse
Your responsibilities and rules to follow for watercourses on or near your property, and permissions you need to do work around them.
beardface
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- Location
- East Yorkshire
National disaster waiting to happen. Trouble is change won't come until it dies happen.
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it has certainly worsened even before Covid. There is a little station above our stretch. There is brand new pickups and land rovers there regularly but they will mow a bit of grass outside and not take one look at the river they are meant to manage. Also one thing that really getS my goat is mowing river banks with radio controlled mowers. They just won’t get stuck into anything productive which will obviously come from above.
beardface
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- Location
- East Yorkshire
it has certainly worsened even before Covid. There is a little station above our stretch. There is brand new pickups and land rovers there regularly but they will mow a bit of grass outside and not take one look at the river they are meant to manage. Also one thing that really getS my goat is mowing river banks with radio controlled mowers. They just won’t get stuck into anything productive which will obviously come from above.
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Hate those barsteward things thry do a few banks with one here. Always comes when it's wet and digs foot deep holes all over the place when it turns.
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ollie989898
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Reading that Gov.uk document, it looks like it can be done provided you don't go deepening the river or drawing stuff up the banks and leaving them bare.
Incidentally, deepening the channel and clearing and reshaping the banks is exactly what the drainage board were doing around here a few years ago...
Incidentally, deepening the channel and clearing and reshaping the banks is exactly what the drainage board were doing around here a few years ago...
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
am I right in thinking there is all sorts of pollution in the sediment in the bottom of rivers? I am sure I heard that is why the environment agency stopped dredging rivers, as once dug up the stuff needed to be treated as contaminate waste.
ollie989898
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Quite possibly, but the drainage contractors around here just spread the stuff along the top of the bank and left it at that.
The EA don't want to dredge because they are all enviro-mentalists who can't drive a digger because their PhD in Ecology won't let them and actually, diggers are bad because wildlyfe.
Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
The sludge they used to pull out of the river ouse and spread on the banks where we lived outside MK Used to be very welcome. Grew grass like you never saw before. I think if you look hard enough, you will find pollution everywhere. 200 years of using mercury dressed seed must have left a fair amount across the arable land of Britain for a start
- Location
- Cumbria
The neglect and lack of maintenance to watercourses over decades is shocking. The rivers are silted-up, the ditches and gutters are blocked as are run-offs, culverts, drains etc.
Many tributaries have collapsed in, and have a much reduced flow, aswell as all the annual debris that occurs. The EA, Councils and many farmers have to hold their hands up and accept, they have not done a job maintaining what was put in place by nature and our forefathers.
The naturalists have a load voice, however someone has to pay, and pay we are via Insurance and flooding as the climate changes and we sit on our hands.
A whole new holistic approach is needed.
Many tributaries have collapsed in, and have a much reduced flow, aswell as all the annual debris that occurs. The EA, Councils and many farmers have to hold their hands up and accept, they have not done a job maintaining what was put in place by nature and our forefathers.
The naturalists have a load voice, however someone has to pay, and pay we are via Insurance and flooding as the climate changes and we sit on our hands.
A whole new holistic approach is needed.
- Location
- roe valley
Over half a mile of River Bank destroyed a year next month by rivers agency still hasn't not been fixed. Part of the bank collapsed in to river by taking tractors and dumpers up and down. Imagine how a farmer would be hung out to dry if it was them. Last picture of digger man i actually have two pictures 1st one taken before I went to a job came back and hour and a half later he was still there sleeping engine running heater on.
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Sounds like you've got some 'natural capital' leverage there that may well attract some funding in the next few years. 
Be careful because the latest ideas are about slowing rapid movement of water downstream as that's leading to flooding on lower ground etc etc. A case of you think you're improving something but actually making things worse elsewhere....... be careful....
Be careful because the latest ideas are about slowing rapid movement of water downstream as that's leading to flooding on lower ground etc etc. A case of you think you're improving something but actually making things worse elsewhere....... be careful....
farmerm
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- Location
- Shropshire
Is that not quietly the point.. restrict flow through tributaries and the drainage basin as a whole in order to reduce peak flooding downstream on the main rivers
- Location
- Cumbria
Is that not quietly the point.. restrict flow through tributaries and the drainage basin as a whole in order to reduce peak flooding downstream on the main rivers
Apparently so, sadly my brain can't compute that one.
I see beavers have been released in Cumbria in the hope they dam up the river to slow the flow down. You don't need beavers, just take a look a Haweswater dam when it's been pxxxing down.
If the capacity of all drains, gutters, rivers etc are full because of volume and can't flow with sufficient velocity, then, erm, it floods. A bit like half blocking the bath plug-hole and leaving the taps running, the floor get's wet. Now, there is the possibility that someone decides to turn the tap's off before the bath is full and doesn't get over-topped (had to use that word
) In other words, all that theory would be great if we could turn the rain off as and when required.Or, we could just sort what we've already got.
So, it's all about the plug-hole.
- Location
- sw scotland
Restricting the flow during severe weather will help flooding downstream. That is how a flood plain works ...but...the water has to get away again quickly to let the ground dry and act like a sponge in between more severe weather. If the drainage is not good enough then once reaching saturation point then flooding will return for the rest of the winter.
As the above example it is filling the bath to the brim then wondering why it overflows as soon as a tap is turned on.
As the above example it is filling the bath to the brim then wondering why it overflows as soon as a tap is turned on.