tullah
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- Location
- Linconshire
As per title. I rang up straight away and they're doing a retest for what it's worth.
Funny how the remaining eight loads all went in ok.
Funny how the remaining eight loads all went in ok.
First load of heap 15.6%. Lodged complaint
- Thread starter tullah
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- Location
- Lorette Manitoba
Would they run you an average. Here if your delivering ten loads and they are say 13.5 they will take a 16 and nothing said.
difference I guess is here they want your business not just to screw you over.
difference I guess is here they want your business not just to screw you over.
tullah
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- Location
- Linconshire
As usual no retained sample here. Does a retained sample ever make any difference as they're a law unto their own?
Only if you have to go to arbitration… otherwise it’s “He said/she said”
- Location
- Yorkshire North bit
My opinion fwiw their moisture meter their weighbridge their rules. They don't even supply the vaseline
tullah
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- Location
- Linconshire
Had I not questioned the first load then I wonder what they'd have found in the others.
I hate to mention it but you should retain a sample of each load for red tractor
- Location
- East Yorkshire
im sure retaining a sample would make all the difference otherwise why would rt ask you to do it? 
From experience it makes f all difference to a claim but it’s just another crap rule from rtim sure retaining a sample would make all the difference otherwise why would rt ask you to do it?
Feldspar
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- Location
- Essex, Cambs and Suffolk
Is it just recommended? Can't remember for sure.
Nearly
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- Location
- North of York
Are you really sure you haven't a sample?
Did you put it in safe the airing cupboard?
Did you put it in safe the airing cupboard?
I think it is only a recommendation, when I had my inspection in October they asked if I kept any and I said no. Didn’t get a non compliance.
You've got a little more weight, so how much are they docking you? The dock could well be less than the extra weight.
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
I will play devils advocate, sorry. first load had exposed surface area of the heap, wheras later loads were inside the heap. Might be another explanation.
The above is typical of the contract model used in mainland Europe, but in the UK we are stuck with the Agriculture Industries Confederation (AIC) ‘General Contract 4-21’ which mandates rules per individual load, NOT averaged over the contract.
It’s an archaic way of trading, but it means end users and traders can make costly punitive deductions based on their own sampling of individual loads. It’s presumably also part of the reason why end users do not report load quality results back to farmers, as keeping us in the dark about ‘good quality’ loads would give us ammunition to argue the toss about the 1 load that is 0.1% ‘too wet’, and thus liable to a punitive drying charge even though it will just be blended at the intake.
And this perennial ‘farming the farmer’ scenario will stay like this till the end of time, as the NFU hasn’t got the ability to stand up to the AIC. If they did they would have addressed this extremely important issue long before now.
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- Location
- East yorks
Red tractor ask me as a recommendation to keep one for every trailer despite using a central store. So how long exactly would 19% or 20% wheat last in a plastic bag before it liquefiedim sure retaining a sample would make all the difference otherwise why would rt ask you to do it?
thats why i take it to central store so they dry it and store it 
Watching the OZ farmers , blending is an art , their limit is 13% wtf
- Location
- East yorks
Yeah but its 45 deg C there for a friend of mine this week, although he has finished harvest