Heritage/Ancient grain seed

[Just_Ben1]

Not sure if this is the right category but does anyone know where/who sells heritage/ancient grain seeds (ideally in smaller quantities [25kg sacks])
Looking for wheat, rye, spelt, barley and oats. Don't want import grain, needs to be grown in the UK.

I see a fair few websites selling heritage flour but none selling grain.

Based in the Midlands but I'm sure shipping wouldn't be an issue.

Thanks.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Try www.heritagewheat.co.uk

 

[Brisel]

Are you a member of BASE UK? Wildfarmed might be worth a look too.

Near to you, try Cotswold Seeds - I'm not sure they sell any, but they would certainly know where does.

 

[CPF]

Not sure if this is the right category but does anyone know where/who sells heritage/ancient grain seeds (ideally in smaller quantities [25kg sacks])
Looking for wheat, rye, spelt, barley and oats. Don't want import grain, needs to be grown in the UK.

I see a fair few websites selling heritage flour but none selling grain.

Based in the Midlands but I'm sure shipping wouldn't be an issue.

Thanks.

What wheat varieties are you looking for?
I know someone growing spelt.

 

[L P]

Try Doves Farm, Cope Seeds, Robin Appel, they would all source you some

 

[Bogweevil]

If you have cultivar names in mind check the national list for addresses of maintainers: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ds_Gazette_Special_Edition_July_2024_v4.0.ods

Technically only cultivars on the national list can be traded in the UK. Conservation cultivars (a special list for non-commerial ones) are:

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18012​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

19/08/2022​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

SCOTCH COMMON​

4160​

4160​

4160​

4160​

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18011​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

19/08/2022​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

SCOTCH ANNAT​

4160​

4160​

4160​

4160​

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18010​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

19/08/2022​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

PRISMA​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

2​

18009​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

19/08/2022​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

TRIUMPH​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

2​

18008​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

31/05/2022​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

CHARIOT​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

2​

18007​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

31/05/2022​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

MIDAS​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

2​

18006​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

31/05/2022​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

MORAYSHIRE GOLD​

4183​

564​

4183​

564​

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18006​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

19/11/2019​

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SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

HARLEQUIN​

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564​

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18005​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

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POTATO​

YETHOLM GYPSEY​

4183​

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18004​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

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SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

SHETLAND BLACK​

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CONSERVATION SWEDE​

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BRASSICA NAPUS L. VAR. NAPOBRASSICA (L.) RCHB.​

SWEDE​

JOAN​

4183​

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4183​

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2​

18003​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

PLUMAGE ARCHER​

4183​

4184​

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18003​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

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SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

SALAD BLUE​

4183​

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18003​

CONSERVATION SWEDE​

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SWEDE​

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18002​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

19/03/2013​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

CHEVALLIER​

6448​

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18002​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

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SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

FORTYFOLD​

6448​

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CONSERVATION SWEDE​

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BRASSICA NAPUS L. VAR. NAPOBRASSICA (L.) RCHB.​

SWEDE​

DOON SPARTAN​

6448​

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18001​

CONSERVATION WINTER WHEAT​

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TRITICUM AESTIVUM L.​

WHEAT​

SQUAREHEADS MASTER​

6448​

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18001​

CONSERVATION WINTER BARLEY​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

BERE​

6448​

6448​

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18001​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

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SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

HIGHLAND BURGANDY RED​

6448​

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CONSERVATION FODDER RAPE​

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BRASSICA NAPUS L.​

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NEVIN​

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SWEDE​

BALMORAL​

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CONSERVATION FODDER KALE​

19/03/2020​

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BRASSICA OLERACEA L. CONVAR. ACEPHALA (DC.) ALEF. VAR. VIRIDIS L.​

FODDER KALE​

SHETLAND​

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[Just_Ben1]

What wheat varieties are you looking for?
I know someone growing spelt.

I'm looking for anything early 1900s, ideally a mixture of varieties. Nothing modern or hybrid though.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

If you have cultivar names in mind check the national list for addresses of maintainers: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ds_Gazette_Special_Edition_July_2024_v4.0.ods

Technically only cultivars on the national list can be traded in the UK. Conservation cultivars (a special list for non-commerial ones) are:

2​

18012​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

19/08/2022​

​

​

​

HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

SCOTCH COMMON​

4160​

4160​

4160​

4160​

2​

18011​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

19/08/2022​

​

​

​

HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

SCOTCH ANNAT​

4160​

4160​

4160​

4160​

2​

18010​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

19/08/2022​

​

​

​

HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

PRISMA​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

2​

18009​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

19/08/2022​

​

​

​

HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

TRIUMPH​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

2​

18008​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

31/05/2022​

​

​

​

HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

CHARIOT​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

2​

18007​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

31/05/2022​

​

​

​

HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

MIDAS​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

2​

18006​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

31/05/2022​

​

​

​

HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

MORAYSHIRE GOLD​

4183​

564​

4183​

564​

4​

18006​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

19/11/2019​

​

​

​

SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

HARLEQUIN​

4183​

564​

4183​

564​

4​

18005​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

​

​

​

​

SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

YETHOLM GYPSEY​

4183​

564​

4183​

564​

4​

18004​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

​

​

​

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SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

SHETLAND BLACK​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

38​

18004​

CONSERVATION SWEDE​

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BRASSICA NAPUS L. VAR. NAPOBRASSICA (L.) RCHB.​

SWEDE​

JOAN​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

2​

18003​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

PLUMAGE ARCHER​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

4​

18003​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

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​

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SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

SALAD BLUE​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

38​

18003​

CONSERVATION SWEDE​

​

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BRASSICA NAPUS L. VAR. NAPOBRASSICA (L.) RCHB.​

SWEDE​

DOON MAJOR​

4183​

4184​

4183​

4184​

2​

18002​

CONSERVATION SPRING BARLEY​

19/03/2013​

​

​

​

HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

CHEVALLIER​

6448​

6448​

4191​

6448​

4​

18002​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

​

​

​

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SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

FORTYFOLD​

6448​

6448​

4191​

6448​

38​

18002​

CONSERVATION SWEDE​

​

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BRASSICA NAPUS L. VAR. NAPOBRASSICA (L.) RCHB.​

SWEDE​

DOON SPARTAN​

6448​

6448​

4191​

6448​

1​

18001​

CONSERVATION WINTER WHEAT​

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TRITICUM AESTIVUM L.​

WHEAT​

SQUAREHEADS MASTER​

6448​

6448​

4191​

6448​

2​

18001​

CONSERVATION WINTER BARLEY​

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HORDEUM VULGARE L.​

BARLEY​

BERE​

6448​

6448​

4191​

6448​

4​

18001​

CONSERVATION POTATO​

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SOLANUM TUBEROSUM L.​

POTATO​

HIGHLAND BURGANDY RED​

6448​

6448​

4191​

6448​

35​

18001​

CONSERVATION FODDER RAPE​

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BRASSICA NAPUS L.​

SWEDE RAPE​

NEVIN​

6448​

6448​

4191​

6448​

38​

18001​

CONSERVATION SWEDE​

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BRASSICA NAPUS L. VAR. NAPOBRASSICA (L.) RCHB.​

SWEDE​

BALMORAL​

6345​

6345​

6345​

6345​

39​

18001​

CONSERVATION FODDER KALE​

19/03/2020​

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BRASSICA OLERACEA L. CONVAR. ACEPHALA (DC.) ALEF. VAR. VIRIDIS L.​

FODDER KALE​

SHETLAND​

6345​

6345​

6345​

6345​

Just out of curiosity, do the old varieties get kept in a seed bank or do they just go extinct?

I know there is a Global Seed Vault in the Arctic, but it can't hold every variety of every crop, plant and tree....?

 

[CPF]

I'm looking for anything early 1900s, ideally a mixture of varieties. Nothing modern or hybrid though.

How about?
Squarehead Master
N59
Red ?
To start with probably could find more.

 

[PSQ]

The old PBI varieties all began with a 'Maris' prefix, and there will be an extensive list of them somewhere dating from the 1920's.
But the only one I've encountered recently (apart from spuds) is Maris Bead, a tic bean first listed in 1962 which is still marketed by Churches of Bure.

 

[sjt01]

The old PBI varieties all began with a 'Maris' prefix, and there will be an extensive list of them somewhere dating from the 1920's.
But the only one I've encountered recently (apart from spuds) is Maris Bead, a tic bean first listed in 1962 which is still marketed by Churches of Bure.

Maris Otter is regularly grown around here for artisan breweries.

 

[deleted user 837354]

I should think All things rural will sell you anything you need or be able to find anything you need.

 

[Andy004]

Google GRU John Innes Centre, think they have 20 000 or more wheat lines. They will be pleased to supply, but probably only 50 seeds or so of any line.

 

[CPF]

Google GRU John Innes Centre, think they have 20 000 or more wheat lines. They will be pleased to supply, but probably only 50 seeds or so of any line.

Do you think they would have WW Cappelle.
I would like to get some seed.

 

[Andy004]

Would definitely have Cappelle. But they have a limited supply, and have to multiply it every few years, in a glasshouse, so it's a lot of work.

 

[Boysground]

Maris Otter is regularly grown around here for artisan breweries.

A friend used to grow Maris Otter on a contract, challenging would be the word to use

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[CPF]

I will get in touch with them. I would like to see some growing up.
Before I planted any, do you think they would allow this to happen?

 

[Andy004]

They'd be pleased! It's a national resource, there to be used. They have collections of other crops, peas, beans etc. They have an online catalog, just add what you want to your basket. Before long you'll have a flower bed full of nostalgic lines! Envy of your friends. Just be prepared to stake them!

 

[CPF]

Andy 004 do you work there?

 

[teslacoils]

I asked for and received 50 seeds of square heads and another heritage variety. Multiplied in my garden, then ultimately a 3m x 100m strip, or maybe it was 6m wide, in a crop of oats to keep it away from unknown hostile herbicides. Looked pretty. Grew tall. I mowed it and stopped it. Can't remember where I put the seed but probably have a 10kg sack. Not available from me though.