Man is a f**kwit. Populist nonsense
High Wage Economy
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Steevo
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I've been mulling this over during the past week or so.
Boris wants a high wage, high skill economy. He doesn't want to pull the lever of uncontrolled immigration which is suggested to be keeping a lid on wages in this country and stopping innovation, skilling up etc.
Seems to me at face value to be fairly logical. You can't have your cake and eat it - high wages and cheap goods.
If we value our fellow citizens, we should want the workforce as a whole to be more productive, and thus richer, and in turn able to afford the better standard of goods we produce domestically rather than importing cheap goods from abroad and exploiting their cheap labour.
Yet at the same time......in food and farming terms that is exactly what the government are doing (and continually encouraging).
They set high standards for British farmers (including masses of burocracy and regulation) which only apply to domestic production, and at the same time are more than happy to import any amount of food produced abroad to poorer standards effectively offshoring our morals, ethics, carbon footprint etc.
All because they are desperate to keep down the cost of living.....despite the fact that food is a fraction of this, and Sky TV and a new car every 3 years feature far more heavily.
Looking at the RT situation and the argument presented by NFU that "we should set high standards for our farmers.....and use these to raise standards worldwide". This is useless unless we uphold those standards from those we import from. We cannot lead the world, whilst at the same time importing goods that are below our own standards. Doing so will mean problems, shortages, etc. - not something that the UK customer wants.....even if they claim high standards are important to them. This appears to be what Boris is planning for the UK in terms of his "High Wage Economy", and the difficult crack are beginning to show due to the cold turkey effect in trying to (valiently) shake the addiction to cheap (labour) imports.
If the UK government is serious about a High Wage Economy, perhaps they could create a "Quality Food and Farming Economy" too. One that actually values British farmers and their produce for the high standards they are held to, rather than degrading them at all levels by making them the scapegoat for so many issues (the Countryfile effect!).
The alternative is to lower our standards to match those of the rest of the world. I can't see it going down too well in UK if there's no minimum wage, human rights, health and safety etc. and all the other benefits we as a developed society expect as a bare minimum. Likewise, I can't see the public or farmers wanting to lower food standards.
Boris wants a high wage, high skill economy. He doesn't want to pull the lever of uncontrolled immigration which is suggested to be keeping a lid on wages in this country and stopping innovation, skilling up etc.
Seems to me at face value to be fairly logical. You can't have your cake and eat it - high wages and cheap goods.
If we value our fellow citizens, we should want the workforce as a whole to be more productive, and thus richer, and in turn able to afford the better standard of goods we produce domestically rather than importing cheap goods from abroad and exploiting their cheap labour.
Yet at the same time......in food and farming terms that is exactly what the government are doing (and continually encouraging).
They set high standards for British farmers (including masses of burocracy and regulation) which only apply to domestic production, and at the same time are more than happy to import any amount of food produced abroad to poorer standards effectively offshoring our morals, ethics, carbon footprint etc.
All because they are desperate to keep down the cost of living.....despite the fact that food is a fraction of this, and Sky TV and a new car every 3 years feature far more heavily.
Looking at the RT situation and the argument presented by NFU that "we should set high standards for our farmers.....and use these to raise standards worldwide". This is useless unless we uphold those standards from those we import from. We cannot lead the world, whilst at the same time importing goods that are below our own standards. Doing so will mean problems, shortages, etc. - not something that the UK customer wants.....even if they claim high standards are important to them. This appears to be what Boris is planning for the UK in terms of his "High Wage Economy", and the difficult crack are beginning to show due to the cold turkey effect in trying to (valiently) shake the addiction to cheap (labour) imports.
If the UK government is serious about a High Wage Economy, perhaps they could create a "Quality Food and Farming Economy" too. One that actually values British farmers and their produce for the high standards they are held to, rather than degrading them at all levels by making them the scapegoat for so many issues (the Countryfile effect!).
The alternative is to lower our standards to match those of the rest of the world. I can't see it going down too well in UK if there's no minimum wage, human rights, health and safety etc. and all the other benefits we as a developed society expect as a bare minimum. Likewise, I can't see the public or farmers wanting to lower food standards.
kiwi pom
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True but if you have it you can choose how you spend it, higher wages doesn't mean you have to spend it.
If farmgate prices rise, everything rises with it but I don't see farmers campaigning for prices to stay the same. What's the difference with wages?
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Farmgate prices cant really rise to be honest
Courier
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FonterraFarmer
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- Waikato, New Zealand
That is totally unacceptable and incredibly sexist!!!
Personally if we reversed the sexes the reference would apply to our current misguided and delusional Prime Minister!!!
ollie989898
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Adopt the Nordic model and be done with it. High wages, high taxes, much deeper public pocket and better social support structures. People will be happier and we would have a lot less impact on the environment. It's the only way. We can't all keep playing the game of everyone trying to be millionaires, it is pointless and impossible. So what, a lot less wealthy folk out buying £2000 handbags and 100K cars. Absolute height of consumerist insanity anyway- just fuels the buy, use it and dispose of it model which can't work for much longer.
Government needs to be shrunk down, drastically. NHS to adopt an insurance based model with top ups based on your tax returns and income. Funding per patient model adopted. Big national drive to stop us importing so much disposable carp- again, limiting emissions and better for the environment. £5 a pint type prices for food and drink as in Norway and Denmark. Standard incomes for low income families, lengthy maternity and paternity leave periods for new parents. Subsidised pre-school and nursery places for low income families to get people back into work.
Fudging do it.
Government needs to be shrunk down, drastically. NHS to adopt an insurance based model with top ups based on your tax returns and income. Funding per patient model adopted. Big national drive to stop us importing so much disposable carp- again, limiting emissions and better for the environment. £5 a pint type prices for food and drink as in Norway and Denmark. Standard incomes for low income families, lengthy maternity and paternity leave periods for new parents. Subsidised pre-school and nursery places for low income families to get people back into work.
Fudging do it.
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Why ?
Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
‘Cos this government will encourage imports from around the globe at world commodity prices.
Efficiency has to be the name of the game even with both hands tied behind your back .
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
No Change then .
Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
“IF we value our fellow citizens, we should want the workforce as a whole to be more productive, and thus richer, and in turn able to afford the better standard of goods we produce domestically rather than importing cheap goods from abroad and exploiting their cheap labour.”
But we only value our fellow citizens with over £8m in assets ! Everyone else can be considered to be tax generators.
But we only value our fellow citizens with over £8m in assets ! Everyone else can be considered to be tax generators.
exactly, high is only high if its compared to a low wage. if every one had a high wage, it wouldn't be high!
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
A highly paid toilet cleaner ?
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- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
Former Tesco boss Dave Lewis to advise on supply chain crisis
The government has hired Dave Lewis to help it fix problems that led to petrol and other shortages.
www.bbc.co.uk
farmerm
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- Shropshire
Quit farming and become a plumber...
Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
Sir Peter Bottomly stated this week that the £82,000 basic salary for MPs was "grim" to live on and that instead they should be paid something more akin to that of a GP's salary.
One thing that I fully agree with as mentioned in your post though - the number of MPs (and Lords) should be reduced significantly i.e. probably halved.
Rise in ‘grim’ £80,000 salary would attract wider range of candidates, says MP
Conservative Sir Peter Bottomley said successful people would be significantly worse off in politics.
www.standard.co.uk
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High wages, high skills…….high levels of intangible bullshite more like.
what about folk who aren’t academically gifted in that respect?
On one of his programmes Fred Dibnah was talking to a night watchman who said he got a lot of grief on sites from the unemployed and Fred said the problem with losing the industries was that it “did away with the jobs for the thickos”. Not the most PC description of the situation, but right.
What do folk that aren’t able to become “highly skilled” do in the make believe world of unicorns and fairies this total bellend inhabits?
what about folk who aren’t academically gifted in that respect?
On one of his programmes Fred Dibnah was talking to a night watchman who said he got a lot of grief on sites from the unemployed and Fred said the problem with losing the industries was that it “did away with the jobs for the thickos”. Not the most PC description of the situation, but right.
What do folk that aren’t able to become “highly skilled” do in the make believe world of unicorns and fairies this total bellend inhabits?
Steevo
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