How worried are you about Covid , poll

[Exfarmer]

Seems covid is more potent than Novichok

Are you sure, dose for dose

 

[Ley253]

Highly unlikely anyone in Europe had it in November first cases probably mid to end December, bought in by Chinese

Wrong! A friend deals with germany, import/export, and they started testing for the virus on Nov 1. In addition, the staff at my local hospital agree that its pretty certain we all had it, it was known to exist, but had not been christened. WHO were concerned about a strange virus which seemed to be tailor made to infect humans back in July.

 

[robs1]

Haven't they found it in frozen sewage from early 2019 in several countries ?
Now why they freeze sewage is a whole other question

 

[Bald Rick]

Are you sure, dose for dose

Well the three deliberate attacks haven’t killed

 

[Danllan]

I voted '4'; I've minimal concern for myself, Mrs Danllan and our children, but fair concern for my mother and some parts of the greater society. Of course the economy is suffering, but economies adapt, so it's a short to medium term problem in that regard.

Highly unlikely anyone in Europe had it in November first cases probably mid to end December, bought in by Chinese

The evidence from France strongly argues otherwise, some Italian medics are also fairly sure it was lurking.

 

[Exfarmer]

I voted '4'; I've minimal concern for myself, Mrs Danllan and our children, but fair concern for my mother and some parts of the greater society. Of course the economy is suffering, but economies adapt, so it's a short to medium term problem in that regard.


The evidence from France strongly argues otherwise, some Italian medics are also fairly sure it was lurking.

Sorry no earlier evidence before 19th. December

 

[Exfarmer]

Wrong! A friend deals with germany, import/export, and they started testing for the virus on Nov 1. In addition, the staff at my local hospital agree that its pretty certain we all had it, it was known to exist, but had not been christened. WHO were concerned about a strange virus which seemed to be tailor made to infect humans back in July.

Nobody had any test at this date. There is absolutely no evidence from anywhere but China till November

 

[Hindsight]

But I also had exactly those symptoms 4 years ago after a flight from Belgium. Was that Covid -19 too?

So it was you all along

 

[Hindsight]

Nobody had any test at this date. There is absolutely no evidence from anywhere but China till November

Your wasting your time. The conspirators just love it! I am going for last July - can track it down to the day. Was July 12th when I went into Donington Chinky for a Chow Mein. Beggars gave me it. Fever, loss of smell, you name it I had all the symptoms before they were even recognised.

 

[Danllan]

Sorry no earlier evidence before 19th. December

We covered this in another thread, you discount that French doc' in Colmar?

 

[Hindsight]

I voted '4'; I've minimal concern for myself, Mrs Danllan and our children, but fair concern for my mother and some parts of the greater society. Of course the economy is suffering, but economies adapt, so it's a short to medium term problem in that regard.


The evidence from France strongly argues otherwise, some Italian medics are also fairly sure it was lurking.

It was lurking in Donington - see post #29. I bagsy first claim on it in the UK.

 

[Exfarmer]

We covered this in another thread, you discount that French doc' in Colmar?

Thats a new one , diagnosing a virus from a chest x ray, get real some people will do anything to get their name on the news. I can promise you that I can find ten people tomorrow who will swear that they had it last july, it wont cost me that much. In fact they probably had it ten years ago for very little more

 

[Still Farming]

Be worried more when you can fly into England from Greece and Portugal with a dose but not Wales.
Unless you travel there after????

 

[Devil's advocate]

I'm more worried than 100%. A winter beckons loading out straw with a 35 year old Sanderson cos the Manipoo has had a funny turn. Infact I'm so worried I've hidden my profile. But I'm sure told you that yesterday.

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I had a Sanderson 55 forklift poster on my wall when I was 14.

It featured the solari family (some emigreated to NZ & have the world record for highest wheat & barley yeilds) They had flat eight on one & bale clamp on the other. Loads of other stuff like big buckets/forks, box rotator & even pallet forks.

 

[Devil's advocate]

On topic.

Worked with workmate he was ill for 5 weeks, I was fine so not bothered now.

Was terrified for Mother at the begining of outbreak, she is fine too.

 

[Nithsdale]

Highly unlikely anyone in Europe had it in November first cases probably mid to end December, bought in by Chinese

I've a friend who's a GP in London. It's widely accepted amongst their colleagues that it was already here as early as October

That's not proven or in any way official. But it's what they were seeing in patients, and what they know now looking back

 

[Hindsight]

Virus shifts to young as lockdown fears ease
Call for normality with most cases in under-40s

Chris Smyth, Whitehall Editor | Sam Joiner, Head of Data | Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor
Saturday September 05 2020, 12.01am, The Times

Pupils returning for the new academic year are very unlikely to die from Covid-19
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Most confirmed coronavirus cases are now in younger people in an “extraordinary” shift that has raised hopes that deaths can be kept low without lockdowns.

Two thirds of confirmed infections are in the under-40s while numbers in older people have fallen sharply, a Times analysis of Public Health England figures reveals.

A fifth of cases are in people over 50, compared with three quarters in the spring. Cases in those over 80 account for 3 per cent of the total, down from 28 per cent in March.


The need for further restrictions could be reduced as many older people appear to be voluntarily shielding. This allows younger people who are less badly affected by Covid to return to work, experts suggested.

One government adviser said that a Swedish-style strategy of keeping workplaces and hospitality open while advising older people to take greater precautions could help Britain to get through the winter.



While the new figures can be attributed in part to increased testing in people with milder symptoms, experts said that there had been a significant shift in infection rates among younger people as they took advantage of lockdown easing. The peak age range for infections is now in the 20s, having been in the 80s until early June when outbreaks in care homes and hospitals during the start of the pandemic began to be restricted.
Mark Woolhouse of the University of Edinburgh, who sits on the government’s SPI-M modelling group, said that “the epidemic is starting to divide” by age. “There are hints from the behavioural data that younger adults are embracing the exit from lockdown more enthusiastically than older people,” he said, suggesting that older adults were “shielding themselves”.

Ministers have cautioned against plans in which individuals would be asked to shield to different degrees based on their age. They are concerned that if infections rise in the young they will spill over to more vulnerable people eventually.
However, Professor Woolhouse argued: “People have worked out who’s at risk and they’re acting on it. Government and local authorities may not need to be that authoritarian about this. Maybe what people need is advice. It’s possible that would be enough to damp down many local outbreaks.”
He said that “we don’t have to panic now and maybe we can be more measured in our response”, including introducing a policy of protecting older people while allowing others to continue normal life. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) reported yesterday that infection rates were flat, which could be because they were falling in the elderly while rising in the young. Matt Hancock, the health secretary, said that the ONS data was a reassuring sign that the government’s measures were “supporting the country to safely return to normal”.
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Mr Hancock is cautious about relying on keeping cases among the under- 40s, after France reported a rise in hospital admissions weeks after cases in the young increased. “It’s obviously good news that we are not seeing hospitalisations but too early to be drawing policy conclusions,” a source said.
Last week 2,042 cases were confirmed in people in their twenties, more than ten times the number among over-80s. While cases are lower in all ages than in the spring, they are still falling in the elderly while they started rising in younger people from July.
Sir David Spiegelhalter, professor of public understanding of risk at the University of Cambridge, said that the change in age profile in infections was “quite extraordinary”. He said that the age shift was “affected by testing availability, but also a shift in who is infected”. He added: “The elderly and frail seem to be far better protected than they were at the start of the epidemic, but they need to be able to get their freedom back.”
Meanwhile, the head of the civil service has urged officials to return to the office and said that working from home risked limiting “innovation and sustained common purpose”.



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Sir Mark Sedwill, the outgoing cabinet secretary, and Alex Chisholm, the civil service’s chief operating officer, have told departments that they want 80 per cent of the staff to be back in by the end of the month on a rota basis.
Shaun Bailey, the Conservative candidate for London mayor, said that working from home risked damaging people’s career prospects. He said it was “impossible” to build relationships on video conferencing and added that people were missing out on friendships.
There is mounting concern in government about the economic damage being caused to city centres by the increase in working from home as a result of the coronavirus crisis.
Boris Johnson has been pushing officials to return to work but has been met with strong resistance by the unions, which have said that forcing people to return to work is illegal. In a letter to government departments Sir Mark and Mr Chisholm said that there were “significant benefits” to returning to work.
“We have seen a reduced level of social interaction among our colleagues, with the loss of some of the spontaneous interaction and cross-fertilisation between teams that drives innovation and sustained common purpose,” they said. “There have also been challenges with bringing on board new or inexperienced colleagues and limitations in the ability to mentor and develop our people, particularly those earlier in their careers.
“In short, it is the government’s view that on the whole there are significant benefits to be gained from working collaboratively in an office environment and where possible colleagues should now return to the office in line with Covid-secure levels.”
They said that new officials were particularly missing out because of the difficulty in mentoring them while people were not in the office. They are “strongly encouraging” staff to return to work on a rota system and suggested that 20 per cent of staff could return five days a week, 30 per cent for three days a week and another 30 per cent for two days. Mr Johnson has told departments that he wants to see weekly figures detailing the number of staff who have returned to work.

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Mr Bailey said that working from home was damaging people’s prospects. He said: “You miss out on your career prospects, you miss out on the developmental process. You miss out on friendship as well. There’s new people you won’t meet — friends, husbands, wives, boyfriends, girlfriends — you’re not going to meet that person. It’s no secret that divorce rates have gone the wrong way because people have been crammed together. There’s an extra layer of quality to a face-to-face exchange. We are physically and emotionally built to be in groups.”
Matt Hancock, the health secretary, suggested last week that people working from home were just as productive as those in the office. “Matt was talking about civil servants. But commercial businesses have much more innovation they need to work with,” Mr Bailey said. “That means face-to-face conversations, that means the network has to be more live.
“You can’t have press officers sending out emails saying get back to work if they’re not back to work as well.”
Mr Johnson yesterday faced criticism for attending a meeting of backbench Tory MPs this week amid claims that social distancing guidelines were breached. Number 10 refused to say if the prime minister broke social distancing rules after reports that 50 Tory MPs had attended.
• Millions of people could be offered free trips to London under plans to help the economy by getting Britons back into the capital.
Giving away tickets for buses, trains and the Tube is being considered to entice the public to the city’s shops, restaurants and museums. Plans for a First Ride Free scheme — the travel equivalent to the Eat Out to Help Out initiative — are being drawn up by Transport for London (TfL), the Evening Standard reported. A spokesman for TfL said: “No final decisions have been made and any option would need to be delivered with government support, and agreed with them as part of ongoing discussions about our finances.”



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[Hindsight]

I've a friend who's a GP in London. It's widely accepted amongst their colleagues that it was already here as early as October

That's not proven or in any way official. But it's what they were seeing in patients, and what they know now looking back

Yes your right. It was introduced with subterfuge by the CIA using the Oakland Raiders Chicago Bears game on October 7th at White Hart Lane. Same time the US took it to China in the military world games event.

 

[Tomtrac]

Virus shifts to young as lockdown fears ease
Call for normality with most cases in under-40s

Chris Smyth, Whitehall Editor | Sam Joiner, Head of Data | Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor
Saturday September 05 2020, 12.01am, The Times

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Most confirmed coronavirus cases are now in younger people in an “extraordinary” shift that has raised hopes that deaths can be kept low without lockdowns.

Two thirds of confirmed infections are in the under-40s while numbers in older people have fallen sharply, a Times analysis of Public Health England figures reveals.

A fifth of cases are in people over 50, compared with three quarters in the spring. Cases in those over 80 account for 3 per cent of the total, down from 28 per cent in March.


The need for further restrictions could be reduced as many older people appear to be voluntarily shielding. This allows younger people who are less badly affected by Covid to return to work, experts suggested.

One government adviser said that a Swedish-style strategy of keeping workplaces and hospitality open while advising older people to take greater precautions could help Britain to get through the winter.



While the new figures can be attributed in part to increased testing in people with milder symptoms, experts said that there had been a significant shift in infection rates among younger people as they took advantage of lockdown easing. The peak age range for infections is now in the 20s, having been in the 80s until early June when outbreaks in care homes and hospitals during the start of the pandemic began to be restricted.
Mark Woolhouse of the University of Edinburgh, who sits on the government’s SPI-M modelling group, said that “the epidemic is starting to divide” by age. “There are hints from the behavioural data that younger adults are embracing the exit from lockdown more enthusiastically than older people,” he said, suggesting that older adults were “shielding themselves”.

Ministers have cautioned against plans in which individuals would be asked to shield to different degrees based on their age. They are concerned that if infections rise in the young they will spill over to more vulnerable people eventually.
However, Professor Woolhouse argued: “People have worked out who’s at risk and they’re acting on it. Government and local authorities may not need to be that authoritarian about this. Maybe what people need is advice. It’s possible that would be enough to damp down many local outbreaks.”
He said that “we don’t have to panic now and maybe we can be more measured in our response”, including introducing a policy of protecting older people while allowing others to continue normal life. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) reported yesterday that infection rates were flat, which could be because they were falling in the elderly while rising in the young. Matt Hancock, the health secretary, said that the ONS data was a reassuring sign that the government’s measures were “supporting the country to safely return to normal”.
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Mr Hancock is cautious about relying on keeping cases among the under- 40s, after France reported a rise in hospital admissions weeks after cases in the young increased. “It’s obviously good news that we are not seeing hospitalisations but too early to be drawing policy conclusions,” a source said.
Last week 2,042 cases were confirmed in people in their twenties, more than ten times the number among over-80s. While cases are lower in all ages than in the spring, they are still falling in the elderly while they started rising in younger people from July.
Sir David Spiegelhalter, professor of public understanding of risk at the University of Cambridge, said that the change in age profile in infections was “quite extraordinary”. He said that the age shift was “affected by testing availability, but also a shift in who is infected”. He added: “The elderly and frail seem to be far better protected than they were at the start of the epidemic, but they need to be able to get their freedom back.”
Meanwhile, the head of the civil service has urged officials to return to the office and said that working from home risked limiting “innovation and sustained common purpose”.



Play Video
How I lost my job due to Covid-19
Sir Mark Sedwill, the outgoing cabinet secretary, and Alex Chisholm, the civil service’s chief operating officer, have told departments that they want 80 per cent of the staff to be back in by the end of the month on a rota basis.
Shaun Bailey, the Conservative candidate for London mayor, said that working from home risked damaging people’s career prospects. He said it was “impossible” to build relationships on video conferencing and added that people were missing out on friendships.
There is mounting concern in government about the economic damage being caused to city centres by the increase in working from home as a result of the coronavirus crisis.
Boris Johnson has been pushing officials to return to work but has been met with strong resistance by the unions, which have said that forcing people to return to work is illegal. In a letter to government departments Sir Mark and Mr Chisholm said that there were “significant benefits” to returning to work.
“We have seen a reduced level of social interaction among our colleagues, with the loss of some of the spontaneous interaction and cross-fertilisation between teams that drives innovation and sustained common purpose,” they said. “There have also been challenges with bringing on board new or inexperienced colleagues and limitations in the ability to mentor and develop our people, particularly those earlier in their careers.
“In short, it is the government’s view that on the whole there are significant benefits to be gained from working collaboratively in an office environment and where possible colleagues should now return to the office in line with Covid-secure levels.”
They said that new officials were particularly missing out because of the difficulty in mentoring them while people were not in the office. They are “strongly encouraging” staff to return to work on a rota system and suggested that 20 per cent of staff could return five days a week, 30 per cent for three days a week and another 30 per cent for two days. Mr Johnson has told departments that he wants to see weekly figures detailing the number of staff who have returned to work.

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Mr Bailey said that working from home was damaging people’s prospects. He said: “You miss out on your career prospects, you miss out on the developmental process. You miss out on friendship as well. There’s new people you won’t meet — friends, husbands, wives, boyfriends, girlfriends — you’re not going to meet that person. It’s no secret that divorce rates have gone the wrong way because people have been crammed together. There’s an extra layer of quality to a face-to-face exchange. We are physically and emotionally built to be in groups.”
Matt Hancock, the health secretary, suggested last week that people working from home were just as productive as those in the office. “Matt was talking about civil servants. But commercial businesses have much more innovation they need to work with,” Mr Bailey said. “That means face-to-face conversations, that means the network has to be more live.
“You can’t have press officers sending out emails saying get back to work if they’re not back to work as well.”
Mr Johnson yesterday faced criticism for attending a meeting of backbench Tory MPs this week amid claims that social distancing guidelines were breached. Number 10 refused to say if the prime minister broke social distancing rules after reports that 50 Tory MPs had attended.
• Millions of people could be offered free trips to London under plans to help the economy by getting Britons back into the capital.
Giving away tickets for buses, trains and the Tube is being considered to entice the public to the city’s shops, restaurants and museums. Plans for a First Ride Free scheme — the travel equivalent to the Eat Out to Help Out initiative — are being drawn up by Transport for London (TfL), the Evening Standard reported. A spokesman for TfL said: “No final decisions have been made and any option would need to be delivered with government support, and agreed with them as part of ongoing discussions about our finances.”



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Bet you didnt write all that on your i phone

 

[Still Farming]

Universities next BIG WORRIES???