Letter to Agricultural Industries Confederation about UK produced cereals

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
This email has gone to Simon Williams AIC Technical Manageer for FEMAS, FIAS and UFAS assurance schemes. Mr Williams has acknowledged the email and says AIC will consider its contents and respond in due course.


Dear Mr Williams,

I am writing on behalf of a group of UK cereal farmers.

We have been studdying the AIC standards for the supply of combinable crops to the AIC accredited mills, and the associated document - Feed/Food Suplier Schemes Recognised By AIC.

I refer you to the standards on page three of the document.

https://www.agindustries.org.uk/resource/feed-food-schemes.html


In this publication, AIC make a distinct differentiation in permissible standards for UK/Eire produced whole combinable crops in comparison to the imported grains from non-UK/Eire supplies.

The AIC requirement for the imported whole combinable crops can be met by a simple declaration from the supplier. These are the AIC requirements in that respect...



*An alternative acceptable approach for ensuring the safety and legality of non-UK/ Eire combinable
crops is outlined below:

The combinable crop must be supplied by a member of an assurance scheme recognized by AIC and
listed in Approved Suppliers above, and the mill must obtain specific evidence from the supplier relating to each purchase regarding all of the following:

a) All pesticides used pre and post-harvest are approved for use in the EU and;

b) All pesticides used pre and post-harvest have been applied both singly and cumulatively at levels approved for use in the EU; and

c) All storage used (beginning at the point of first collection or storage) meets the standards required by the AIC TASCC Stores Scheme relating to hygiene and cleaning, pest control and prevention of contamination


The AIC requirements for UK/Eire whole combinable crops are distinctly different, in that the requirement is for the UK grower to be in a recognised assurance scheme at the farm level.

These differing standards create increased compliance costs for UK/Eire growers, we judge this discrimination should be changed, and we believe the UK food/feed assurance industry should not create circumstances by which it specifically impedes the competitiveness of its UK farmers.

We are requesting that you change the AIC standards, so the UK/Eire grower has equivalent standards requirements to the current non-UK combinables standards, with an additional change to the wording to also facilitate direct supply from the grower to the mill (rather than through a merchant).

I hope you understand our concerns about the current differentiation and discrimination in the AIC stadards requirements, and I hope that AIC can look constructively at our request and work to find a solution.

We would be grateful if you would consult with us on this matter and keep us updated as to your thoughts and progress. We are working to a tight timescale, and hope that by the 16th of February 2021, it will have been possible to make this simple amendment to the AIC standards and to have informed your scheme members of any changes, so that farmers and businesses can make preparations for March contracts. We imagine you would be in the process of making changes to this document in any case, as presumably you would be possibly replacing any use of the word 'EU' with the word 'UK'.

We intend to propose a change to the current format of the Combinable Crops Passport, creating a tick box for the farmer to declare 'Produced to UK standards', which should satisfy your members in the milling and processing industries that the crop has been produced to standards that are at least the equivalence of the imported combinables (for which use is currently permitted by the AIC).

I hope AIC agree that this move will be a step forward in creating equivalence in standards for UK/Eire farmers, and will increase competitiveness for our home producers.

I look forward to hearing from you on this matter, would be appreciative of an initial acknowledgement of this email, and then to be kept regularly updated as to your progress. If we can provide any constructive help in consulting and discussing any proposals you may have for bringing equivalence to the wording of the standards, we would be very pleased to be involved. In any case we would wish to agree the new wording before it is introduced.

We look forward to working with you and to be able to help improve the AIC standards, so that all producers from all nationalities are working to the same standard.
 
I recently talked to a lorry driver who frequents ports offloading to mills.

No cereals passport is required.

No Dons, Doms or risk assessment. No paperwork.

If loading at 6:00am there is no testing of the cereals. Samples are taken by the driver and dropped off at the Laboratory. Loads are offloaded as normal.

Laboratories open at 8:00am, by this time cereals offloaded are mixed in the pile.

No assurance of incoming production methods, machinery cleanliness, health and safety, cereal store cleanliness, pesticides, carbon, regulations, water usage .. nothing.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
All Most of the discussion related to this in on this thread...


...but thought it was worthy of a dedicated thread, just so the letter was at the top of a thread, and easy to link to and find.
 
All Most of the discussion related to this in on this thread...


...but thought it was worthy of a dedicated thread, just so the letter was at the top of a thread, and easy to link to and find.


I'm sure everyone is glad some action is being taken towards moving away from these assurance schemes - which seem little more than a money spinner for the chosen few.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
I take my hat off to you sir! That is a well thought out and well set out letter!
We've got to finally get to the bottom of this unfair and unlevel playing field. And the crux of the matter is burried in that AIC document. It's indefensible. How can anyone possibly defend it, and why hasn't it been tackled before. Our own UK agriculural industry has done this to us, and we're going to make sure it is reformed.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
I thought I had replied but didn't seem to work the first time.

I am just wading through information about competition law. Thanks for the starting point, @Grass And Grain. Currently reading the attached. Interesting that you can get a short form opinion from the OFT.
Thank you. Have you time to keep working on that, and provide a summary of findings? By PM in the first instance.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Keep writing letters guys. Cancel memberships of any organisation that aren't working for us, and explain why. Give the big organisations your views via Twitter, Facebook etc. Phone your group Secretary. Etc etc.
 
I deleted this as I thought it was in the wrong thread but in light of @Grass And Grain post above I am reposting it.

A pebble thrown into a big pond, but I have just written to the NFU to say that I will cancelling my membership, citing how unhappy I am at their stance and support / promotion of Red Tractor when it obviously does not serve my best interests. My Dad will be cancelling his membership as well. My insurances bill was around £13,000 this year plus my membership fee. I know its only crumbs to them but at least I will feel Ive made a point.

Right, on to writing the next letter!

Power to the people!!
 

texelburger

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Herefordshire
Well I spoke to our local district NFU chairman ,this morning,and brought to his attention my grievances and concerns with regards the NFU and RT.He fully agreed and told me,even though I'm not a NFU member,that my concerns would be passed on.Again a small pebble thrown but I hope it all helps.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Well I spoke to our local district NFU chairman ,this morning,and brought to his attention my grievances and concerns with regards the NFU and RT.He fully agreed and told me,even though I'm not a NFU member,that my concerns would be passed on.Again a small pebble thrown but I hope it all helps.
If you happen to get chance to speak to him/her again, would you explain the AIC thing to him. Tight timescale, we want as many opinions as possible in the next 2-3 days. Oh, and tell the chairman your future NFU membership payment is currently going to RT, so will be available when RT is closed down.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Well done @Grass And Grain and all those above who are actually taking real steps to make their voices heard in the right places. This is the kind of effort that’s needed. Change won’t happen if we just grumble then sit back and hope it goes way. Everybody who writes a letter, completes the consultation and makes their views known to their NFU rep will have an impact. This is real democracy at work trying to create a fair and level playing field for home production competing with imported grain. Good stuff.👍
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
I'm led to believe that the Farmers Weekly are hopefully maybe going to publish the letter, probably in Friday's edition.

Many thanks to Philip Clarke from FW for supporting UK cereal farmers in this way.

Don't think Philip is on tff, but I'll tag
@AM_Arable to say thankyou :love:

Edit!
Big apologies, I might have misunderstood Philip fron FW. He said he'd be publishing my letter, but I wrote another letter the day before, so I'm now thinking Philip was referring to that one. Sorry for confusion.

I'm the plonker, not FW :facepalm:
 
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I'm led to believe that the Farmers Weekly are hopefully maybe going to publish the letter, probably in Friday's edition.

Many thanks to Philip Clarke from FW for supporting UK cereal farmers in this way.

Don't think Philip is on tff, but I'll tag
@AM_Arable to say thankyou :love:

Good.

And you deserve to get it published too. Farmers buy and support the FW so they need to get this flushed out into the open
 
This email has gone to Simon Williams AIC Technical Manageer for FEMAS, FIAS and UFAS assurance schemes. Mr Williams has acknowledged the email and says AIC will consider its contents and respond in due course.


Dear Mr Williams,

I am writing on behalf of a group of UK cereal farmers.

We have been studdying the AIC standards for the supply of combinable crops to the AIC accredited mills, and the associated document - Feed/Food Suplier Schemes Recognised By AIC.

I refer you to the standards on page three of the document.

https://www.agindustries.org.uk/resource/feed-food-schemes.html


In this publication, AIC make a distinct differentiation in permissible standards for UK/Eire produced whole combinable crops in comparison to the imported grains from non-UK/Eire supplies.

The AIC requirement for the imported whole combinable crops can be met by a simple declaration from the supplier. These are the AIC requirements in that respect...



*An alternative acceptable approach for ensuring the safety and legality of non-UK/ Eire combinable
crops is outlined below:

The combinable crop must be supplied by a member of an assurance scheme recognized by AIC and
listed in Approved Suppliers above, and the mill must obtain specific evidence from the supplier relating to each purchase regarding all of the following:

a) All pesticides used pre and post-harvest are approved for use in the EU and;

b) All pesticides used pre and post-harvest have been applied both singly and cumulatively at levels approved for use in the EU; and

c) All storage used (beginning at the point of first collection or storage) meets the standards required by the AIC TASCC Stores Scheme relating to hygiene and cleaning, pest control and prevention of contamination


The AIC requirements for UK/Eire whole combinable crops are distinctly different, in that the requirement is for the UK grower to be in a recognised assurance scheme at the farm level.

These differing standards create increased compliance costs for UK/Eire growers, we judge this discrimination should be changed, and we believe the UK food/feed assurance industry should not create circumstances by which it specifically impedes the competitiveness of its UK farmers.

We are requesting that you change the AIC standards, so the UK/Eire grower has equivalent standards requirements to the current non-UK combinables standards, with an additional change to the wording to also facilitate direct supply from the grower to the mill (rather than through a merchant).

I hope you understand our concerns about the current differentiation and discrimination in the AIC stadards requirements, and I hope that AIC can look constructively at our request and work to find a solution.

We would be grateful if you would consult with us on this matter and keep us updated as to your thoughts and progress. We are working to a tight timescale, and hope that by the 16th of February 2021, it will have been possible to make this simple amendment to the AIC standards and to have informed your scheme members of any changes, so that farmers and businesses can make preparations for March contracts. We imagine you would be in the process of making changes to this document in any case, as presumably you would be possibly replacing any use of the word 'EU' with the word 'UK'.

We intend to propose a change to the current format of the Combinable Crops Passport, creating a tick box for the farmer to declare 'Produced to UK standards', which should satisfy your members in the milling and processing industries that the crop has been produced to standards that are at least the equivalence of the imported combinables (for which use is currently permitted by the AIC).

I hope AIC agree that this move will be a step forward in creating equivalence in standards for UK/Eire farmers, and will increase competitiveness for our home producers.

I look forward to hearing from you on this matter, would be appreciative of an initial acknowledgement of this email, and then to be kept regularly updated as to your progress. If we can provide any constructive help in consulting and discussing any proposals you may have for bringing equivalence to the wording of the standards, we would be very pleased to be involved. In any case we would wish to agree the new wording before it is introduced.

We look forward to working with you and to be able to help improve the AIC standards, so that all producers from all nationalities are working to the same standard.
Thank you .
 

Andy26

Moderator
Arable Farmer
Location
Northants
This email has gone to Simon Williams AIC Technical Manageer for FEMAS, FIAS and UFAS assurance schemes. Mr Williams has acknowledged the email and says AIC will consider its contents and respond in due course.


Dear Mr Williams,

I am writing on behalf of a group of UK cereal farmers.

We have been studdying the AIC standards for the supply of combinable crops to the AIC accredited mills, and the associated document - Feed/Food Suplier Schemes Recognised By AIC.

I refer you to the standards on page three of the document.

https://www.agindustries.org.uk/resource/feed-food-schemes.html


In this publication, AIC make a distinct differentiation in permissible standards for UK/Eire produced whole combinable crops in comparison to the imported grains from non-UK/Eire supplies.

The AIC requirement for the imported whole combinable crops can be met by a simple declaration from the supplier. These are the AIC requirements in that respect...



*An alternative acceptable approach for ensuring the safety and legality of non-UK/ Eire combinable
crops is outlined below:

The combinable crop must be supplied by a member of an assurance scheme recognized by AIC and
listed in Approved Suppliers above, and the mill must obtain specific evidence from the supplier relating to each purchase regarding all of the following:

a) All pesticides used pre and post-harvest are approved for use in the EU and;

b) All pesticides used pre and post-harvest have been applied both singly and cumulatively at levels approved for use in the EU; and

c) All storage used (beginning at the point of first collection or storage) meets the standards required by the AIC TASCC Stores Scheme relating to hygiene and cleaning, pest control and prevention of contamination


The AIC requirements for UK/Eire whole combinable crops are distinctly different, in that the requirement is for the UK grower to be in a recognised assurance scheme at the farm level.

These differing standards create increased compliance costs for UK/Eire growers, we judge this discrimination should be changed, and we believe the UK food/feed assurance industry should not create circumstances by which it specifically impedes the competitiveness of its UK farmers.

We are requesting that you change the AIC standards, so the UK/Eire grower has equivalent standards requirements to the current non-UK combinables standards, with an additional change to the wording to also facilitate direct supply from the grower to the mill (rather than through a merchant).

I hope you understand our concerns about the current differentiation and discrimination in the AIC stadards requirements, and I hope that AIC can look constructively at our request and work to find a solution.

We would be grateful if you would consult with us on this matter and keep us updated as to your thoughts and progress. We are working to a tight timescale, and hope that by the 16th of February 2021, it will have been possible to make this simple amendment to the AIC standards and to have informed your scheme members of any changes, so that farmers and businesses can make preparations for March contracts. We imagine you would be in the process of making changes to this document in any case, as presumably you would be possibly replacing any use of the word 'EU' with the word 'UK'.

We intend to propose a change to the current format of the Combinable Crops Passport, creating a tick box for the farmer to declare 'Produced to UK standards', which should satisfy your members in the milling and processing industries that the crop has been produced to standards that are at least the equivalence of the imported combinables (for which use is currently permitted by the AIC).

I hope AIC agree that this move will be a step forward in creating equivalence in standards for UK/Eire farmers, and will increase competitiveness for our home producers.

I look forward to hearing from you on this matter, would be appreciative of an initial acknowledgement of this email, and then to be kept regularly updated as to your progress. If we can provide any constructive help in consulting and discussing any proposals you may have for bringing equivalence to the wording of the standards, we would be very pleased to be involved. In any case we would wish to agree the new wording before it is introduced.

We look forward to working with you and to be able to help improve the AIC standards, so that all producers from all nationalities are working to the same standard.
Good work.

So basically all the merchant has to do when importing cereals is to tick a box(es) to say its been produced with EU approved pesticides, not exceeding label doses and from landing on UK shores is handled by TAASC approved hauliers/stores etc.

Two boxes that don't even need ticking by UK producers as statutory legislation has it covered already.
 

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