Making a living from sheep and sucklers

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
grandfather had around 300 ewes years ago on cheep lease ground
old cheep gear
2nd hand wire and hand cut posts
had to work full time to have a income then retired and was on the super that covered there living costs and that was cheep 30 years ago
That's the trouble tis hard to live along cheap these days even a modest house takes a council tax demand of anything up to 2k and renting is as high as a kite. Food ain't so bad relativly speaking I suppose especially if bit is grown at home.
Vehicle for the road is the next big cost, can get old b angers that people dont think are cool or cant be bothered to fiddle with ....cheap though and as long as they can hold an mot theyre fine. If your e not too proud.
 

S J H

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
That's the trouble tis hard to live along cheap these days even a modest house takes a council tax demand of anything up to 2k and renting is as high as a kite. Food ain't so bad relativly speaking I suppose especially if bit is grown at home.
Vehicle for the road is the next big cost, can get old b angers that people dont think are cool or cant be bothered to fiddle with ....cheap though and as long as they can hold an mot theyre fine. If your e not too proud.
The thing is, I can’t understand ‘not being proud’ if they’ve only got an hours work to do in the morning and night, why not just get another job, or go contracting and live a decent life.
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
The thing is, I can’t understand ‘not being proud’ if they’ve only got an hours work to do in the morning and night, why not just get another job, or go contracting and live a decent life.
I shouldn't have put the pride bit on the end . It distorted / spoilt what i meant.

Living resourcefully can be very satisfying surely and money can be spent better than on a big bumpered shiny metallic humperdinker.:sneaky:

Else it's just that hamster wheel of consumerism that
Perpetuates modern life....:cry:

anyway cant waste anymore time on here I've got fencing to do and the suns shining (y)
 

Hilly

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grandfather had around 300 ewes years ago on cheep lease ground
old cheep gear
2nd hand wire and hand cut posts
had to work full time to have a income then retired and was on the super that covered there living costs and that was cheep 30 years ago
Their is more to be made from sheep today than anytime thirty years ago, thirty years ago the sheep job was financial misery .
 

Hilly

Member
That's the trouble tis hard to live along cheap these days even a modest house takes a council tax demand of anything up to 2k and renting is as high as a kite. Food ain't so bad relativly speaking I suppose especially if bit is grown at home.
Vehicle for the road is the next big cost, can get old b angers that people dont think are cool or cant be bothered to fiddle with ....cheap though and as long as they can hold an mot theyre fine. If your e not too proud.
Houses that used to make £60 week rent in the 90’s which here was dear now making £200 if you could find one to rent they either sold and done up or holiday homes now or more than often both.
 

Hilly

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this is just a semi detached house in a village. The limit to my grazing there is two old swales on the back lawn and a x bred you who got stuck on her back on my front lawn 😂
I could imagine , however you might get a 1500 a month nice seven bed farm house up here but you won’t get a job that will make it do able unless your exceptionally lucky or willing to travel about 60 miles to a city every morning and what’s the point of that !
 

S J H

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
I shouldn't have put the pride bit on the end . It distorted / spoilt what i meant.

Living resourcefully can be very satisfying surely and money can be spent better than on a big bumpered shiny metallic humperdinker.:sneaky:

Else it's just that hamster wheel of consumerism that
Perpetuates modern life....:cry:

anyway cant waste anymore time on here I've got fencing to do and the suns shining (y)
Yes I suppose so. I’d feel a bit guilty spending all my time here, and not going to work, I’ve been off for a few weeks with a knackered wrist and it winds me up.
 
I could imagine , however you might get a 1500 a month nice seven bed farm house up here but you won’t get a job that will make it do able unless your exceptionally lucky or willing to travel about 60 miles to a city every morning and what’s the point of that !

every farm here is bought up by rich city folk. It’s a running joke, you’ll never find a farmer living on a farm here. I had a tenant farm up till a year ago but it got sold for development, rich folk and horses. Lost another 500 acre block this year - owned by a guy worth 70 million..... bought to be a tax tool and now the government is paying him £522 a hectare to not produce anything on it and hVe no stock, under a ‘fallow’ stewardship scheme.

I run a couple of thousand ewes and a few other hobbles (stores, tackers, drafts) all on rented seasonal let’s. It’s fairly stressful at times.
 

Hilly

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every farm here is bought up by rich city folk. It’s a running joke, you’ll never find a farmer living on a farm here. I had a tenant farm up till a year ago but it got sold for development, rich folk and horses. Lost another 500 acre block this year - owned by a guy worth 70 million..... bought to be a tax tool and now the government is paying him £522 a hectare to not produce anything on it and hVe no stock, under a ‘fallow’ stewardship scheme.

I run a couple of thousand ewes and a few other hobbles (stores, tackers, drafts) all on rented seasonal let’s. It’s fairly stressful at times.
It’s happening all over sadly but I suspect your area will be leading the field, shame but I don’t know the answer .
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I shouldn't have put the pride bit on the end . It distorted / spoilt what i meant.

Living resourcefully can be very satisfying surely and money can be spent better than on a big bumpered shiny metallic humperdinker.:sneaky:

Else it's just that hamster wheel of consumerism that
Perpetuates modern life....:cry:

anyway cant waste anymore time on here I've got fencing to do and the suns shining (y)

How's everyone supposed to know you are successful and efficient, if you don't have a big bumpered shiny metallic humperdinker? :scratchhead:

I can waste a bit of time on here as it's chucking down with horrible, wet sleety snow now. Supposed to be stopping this afternoon, so moving fences can wait til then I think.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Their is more to be made from sheep today than anytime thirty years ago, thirty years ago the sheep job was financial misery .

I disagree. Thirty years ago the sheep job was good, if you were willing to graft. 25 years ago it was getting a bit tighter and a lot of estate flocks sacked the shepherds and got out of sheep. 20 years ago, cull ewes were a fiver, or less, and the job was on it's knees.

I well remember coming out of the winter 2000/1 and having a conversation with someone in the market in early Feb. Prices were finally starting to lift and I remember us both saying how it looked like there light at the end of the tunnel and everything looked like it was going to be a lot better year. Little did we know what was just around the corner!

I have been very careful of displaying too much optimism since. :rolleyes: 🤫
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
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It would depend what you determine to be "a living"... How you make a living from such a system is to do what you suggest part time and have another full time source of income...
350 ish lambs at £80 each and 12-15k of cattle sales plus sub i would say a tidy living was being earnt.
£43,000 income would be fine... problem is out of that one has to pay for rent, breeding stock, feed and minerals, vet and meds, fencing, buildings and bedding, a tractor, insurance, accountancy, vehicle and trailer etc etc It is very easy to spend £45,000 to earn £43,000 income if one is not careful.. You certainly need to work out how to achieve a good profit margin, even managing to achieve 20% profit from £43,000 sales is going to provide a pretty miserable living. Forget the sub it will be worth squiff all by the time OP is 3 years in and starting to get to grips with the job.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Always have to admire the English farmer, he won't work for small bucks,, If you were selling 350 lambs here in northern ireland, you would be counted as one of the big boys ,,,, if farm was owned and passed down , with some cheap winter grazing ,you'd have no bother making a living,
Why should any farmer in Western economies be willing to work for small bucks? There are plenty of other industries where someone with no assets and no education can earn twice as much whilst working half as hard. Those people, farmers or otherwise willing to work for small bucks do no favours for themselves, for the future of their offspring or for the wider economy!
 

ilovemilk90

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
Hello all,
Is there anyone who is making a living from a few hundred breeding ewes and a 10 to 20 suckler herd or am I mad.
If anyone had any ideas how you can make a living from a similar system please do put
a comment
Many thanks all.
I know a chap does very well running 30-40 odd sucklers and finishes all himself. Turns a good profit. Feeds a home made moist mix through a creep feeder in the summer and autumn. Then brings inside and finish all on on a TMR.
 

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