Militant here on Earth.

[DrWazzock]

If you asked any normal person in the street. Whether they would be complaining if they had to firstly fill out a few forms each year to continue to live the way they have previously. Then say 95% of you can now fill out some more forms and get a fairly sizeable chq just in time for Christmas.
What do you think they would say......
If you don’t like then....

I’m not complaining about BPS or cross compliance. I’m unhappy about self inflicted “voluntary” initiatives that turn into protection rackets. If you don’t pay up you can’t sell your produce. They told us that if we didn’t sign up to these voluntary initiatives we’d lose pesticides and herbicides. We have put the effort in and paid the subs and still lost the actives anyway making certain crops uneconomic to grow. If I was the NFU I’d be saying we aren’t testing our sprayers any more often than the legal requirement nor are we doing any more Nroso scheme. PA1 and PA2 alone is good enough. We did our bit but it proved ineffective.
But instead of that we try ever harder to satisfy people who will never be satisfied until the country is wilderness from one end to the other and our industry is completely destroyed by this insipid creeping regulation and constraint.

 

[DrWazzock]

It’s time to say enough is enough. We will not accept one more new regulation.

 

[GeorgeK]

I think the point is that you only get to the point of being fined for not having a licence if you basically admit it to one of the 'inspectors' (who are basically salesmen - if you don't have a licence and you agree to buy one there and then they go away happy) on the doorstep. They have no legal powers at all, they can only enter your house if you let them.

I haven't had a licence for over a decade since broadband allowed me to watch what I liked on catchup on my PC, I get the threatening letters all the time, which help light the log burner, and once years ago some TV Licencing chap turned up and I told him I didn't need a licence and he left. Not seen anyone since.

I don't pay my TV licence, I like to think the cost of all the threatening letters they send me comes out of their 'woke propaganda' budget

 

[bluebell]

you have got to have suffered to appreciate what you have got ? the war time generation all of them suffered in one way or other, some the ones who were old enough like my fathers brother were called up and fought directly in the war, he was killed in italy just near the end of the war ? Both my dads parents died at the end of the war, he was 10, his older brother was 16, my dad was sent away to the masonic school that was at bushy, many many people of that generation had similar or worse times ? young people today moan and think its hard now? my chemistry teacher was shot down and baled out of a lanchaster bomber over germany?

 

[Tarw Coch]

I'm not a boomer, I'm a Gen X'er. According to the online dictionary Generation X is 'the generation born after that of the baby boomers (roughly from the early 1960s to late 1970s), typically perceived to be disaffected and directionless.', which sounds about right for me

Glad to be living a directionless life, far better than those poor buggers in the trenches who were given a direction, over the top.

 

[Lowland1]

The problem with all this standing up for your rights stuff I when push comes to shove most people decide to let it go. If a year ago people had been told they would be locking kids up in Universities, confining people to their homes, banning foreign travel , making people wear masks on public transport etc all enforced by large probably illegal fines there would have been a massive outcry and we would all be in the streets. Now it’s all meekly accepted because these are special times. Well we all know how people like Hitler got in.

 

[DrWazzock]

The problem with all this standing up for your rights stuff I when push comes to shove most people decide to let it go. If a year ago people had been told they would be locking kids up in Universities, confining people to their homes, banning foreign travel , making people wear masks on public transport etc all enforced by large probably illegal fines there would have been a massive outcry and we would all be in the streets. Now it’s all meekly accepted because these are special times. Well we all know how people like Hitler got in.

Wearing a mask isn’t a big deal.
But if somebody said you will have to attend an annual training course to use it and have to have it tested every fortnight at your own expense or we won’t allow you out of your home then you are getting towards the type of schemes that our own industry bodies sign us up to.

 

[Lowland1]

Wearing a mask isn’t a big deal.
But if somebody said you will have to attend an annual training course to use it and have to have it tested every fortnight at your own expense or we won’t allow you out of your home then you are getting towards the type of schemes that our own industry bodies sign us up to.

No it’s not a big deal but the point is if they had said a year ago that you couldn’t go shopping without one there would have been an outcry and that’s the point about the schemes you complain about people whine but don’t do anything to stop them. And then they are implemented and life goes on. The question is . Is there anything you’d take a bullet to stop?

 

[DrWazzock]

No it’s not a big deal but the point is if they had said a year ago that you couldn’t go shopping without one there would have been an outcry and that’s the point about the schemes you complain about people whine but don’t do anything to stop them.

Well there isn’t any “resistive” leadership any more. There isn’t anybody at a high level who says let’s be sensible and forget that, we don’t need it. Instead there are vested interests just waiting to cash in on every new scheme.

 

[Ley253]

The problem with all this standing up for your rights stuff I when push comes to shove most people decide to let it go. If a year ago people had been told they would be locking kids up in Universities, confining people to their homes, banning foreign travel , making people wear masks on public transport etc all enforced by large probably illegal fines there would have been a massive outcry and we would all be in the streets. Now it’s all meekly accepted because these are special times. Well we all know how people like Hitler got in.

unless the "guide lines" have changed, fines must be related to the criminals ability to pay.Next, they are so high as to be outside any normal persons income, that being so, many will look at them and feel, ok, put me inside then, and if thats done, how about the "rule of six"?

 

[Lowland1]

Well there isn’t any “resistive” leadership any more. There isn’t anybody at a high level who says let’s be sensible and forget that, we don’t need it. Instead there are vested interests just waiting to cash in on every new scheme.

But has there ever been. In our part of the world(which is yours) the NFU was a large farmers club the smaller farmers couldn’t get on a committee or get a say and if they did then a lot of the time they were too busy to attend so things get pushed through that are beneficial for some but not all and in the end we reach the present situation where there aren’t enough farmers left to do anything anyway.

 

[Tarw Coch]

No it’s not a big deal but the point is if they had said a year ago that you couldn’t go shopping without one there would have been an outcry and that’s the point about the schemes you complain about people whine but don’t do anything to stop them. And then they are implemented and life goes on. The question is . Is there anything you’d take a bullet to stop?

Things have changed from a year ago hence the requirement to wear a mask.
It might no do a lot to stop the spread but it certainly helps. Of course some think they’re invincible and some don’t care about protecting others.
I don’t think it’s meant to be a permanent requirement, at some point we will get a vaccine or herd immunity..........hopefully, and masks will be no more.

 

[Redlands Okie]

How do you get herd immunity when wearing mask ?

 

[DrWazzock]

How do you get herd immunity when wearing mask ?

You get there steadily without the carnage of a sudden huge outbreak.

 

[Lowland1]

Ignore the face mask bit. It’s not relevant to this. I mentioned it once and thought I’d got away with obviously not.

 

[Ley253]

You get there steadily without the carnage of a sudden huge outbreak.

We have the huge outbreak (of infections) but very few are becoming ill. Masks are doing nothing, other than perhaps assisting the spread. to be effective, a mask would have to be new every time you entered a controlled area, and placed in a sealed container on leaving, and not handled or touched in any way at any time between. Otherwise they become a virus culture, and handling transfers this to hands and then to produce looked at but not purchased, and then to the next customer interested in that item.

 

[Tarw Coch]

We have the huge outbreak (of infections) but very few are becoming ill. Masks are doing nothing, other than perhaps assisting the spread. to be effective, a mask would have to be new every time you entered a controlled area, and placed in a sealed container on leaving, and not handled or touched in any way at any time between. Otherwise they become a virus culture, and handling transfers this to hands and then to produce looked at but not purchased, and then to the next customer interested in that item.

I hope you’re right about high numbers of infections with few becoming seriously ill. However there will be a timelag between people contracting cv and serious illness/death I think I’ll wait and see what the effect of rising cases has over the next few weeks.

 

[jpd]

[QUOTE="serf, post: 7164248, member: 5498"
all fighting age males and no idea what they are capable of or history wtf are the powers that be thinking !!

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i wonder about this
i feel germany has made a ferocious mistake
merkels altruism will be the undoing of well running state
sweden had one of the best systems for looking after its older people
when they had it right, they let in culturally opposite mostly young men
no history,no paperwork- nothing
then the pandemic comes and sweden decides to let the old people sink or swim,
the people that created the state , then went and blew its resources on looking after individuals from halfway round the world instead of its own

 

[yellow belly]

We have the huge outbreak (of infections) but very few are becoming ill. Masks are doing nothing, other than perhaps assisting the spread. to be effective, a mask would have to be new every time you entered a controlled area, and placed in a sealed container on leaving, and not handled or touched in any way at any time between. Otherwise they become a virus culture, and handling transfers this to hands and then to produce looked at but not purchased, and then to the next customer interested in that item.

Masks are there to reduce the distance the virus travels and remind people to be careful

Plenty of people think the measels was an mild illness
talk to any childrens nurse from the time before the Measels vaccine it is a very nasty desease if you are unlucky
the same goes for covid 19 which is significantly worse talk to the medical profesionals who cared for those who were in hospital with covid 19

health and safety regulations are necessary
before them many more people were injured or killed
talk to those who have suffered or lost a friend or relative
seat belts in cars and air bags and child seats all very effective and a legal requirement

 

[betweenthelines]

If you asked any normal person in the street. Whether they would be complaining if they had to firstly fill out a few forms each year to continue to live the way they have previously. Then say 95% of you can now fill out some more forms and get a fairly sizeable chq just in time for Christmas.
What do you think they would say......
If you don’t like then....

Ah, subsidies!

Why do farmers feel so guilty about getting Govt money? It's a way of keeping prices to the public low-farmers didn't ask for them.

Truth is, most businesses get Govt support one way or another-employment grants, rate rebates, tax concessions, ffs, every new road is a "subsidy" to business. To say nothing of all the sweetners and tax breaks offered to big business to get them to set up locally. Do all the businesses getting staff wages paid by the Furlough scheme think that's a subsidy? Look at all the millionaire football club owners bleating 'cos they want more public money while they pay their staff (players) obscene sums of money.