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czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
Main bonus of Brexit as far as I can see is the government are now more accountable and can't hide behind EU this or EU that.

i can see that but now find I can’t really understand it🤔.
for example, here you here the French complain about macron and his government; not UVDL🤷‍♂️

oh, a real simple example… 3 years ago we bought a new rake, but a twin rotar one so with wheels. The dealer turned up with its (French) vehicle registration document 😳. I said. WTF, it’s a rake, he shrugged and said, « it’s France »….
yes, I think back in the uk the statement would of been « it’s the EU »
 

HatsOff

Member
Mixed Farmer
Exactly take control, that's what we have
We are allowing people in because we need them we can choose who we have, hard working people with skills not uncontrolled economic migrants
Yeah - and I'm saying that a disingenuous argument because the party in charge and the leave campaign were saying that would lead to decreased immigration.

This is a Boris statement from before the referendum - granted he does say he is pro-immigration, but the clear subtext here is that voting leave would lead to less immigration (deleted from the voteleave website hence the archive link):


In the 2019 Tory manifesto it says ' overall numbers will come down': https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan/conservative-party-manifesto-2019

I get it - they used 'take back control', but my argument is that that was widely understood to mean that brexit would be mean lower immigration (as promised in all Tory manifestos for a decade) and that has not happened.

I don't particularly mind that it hasn't - I wasn't concerned by EU free movement because the rights were reciprocal and immigration is largely driven by market demands. But if we are measuring the 'success' of brexit, then on this measure, it is a failure.
 

robs1

Member
Yeah - and I'm saying that a disingenuous argument because the party in charge and the leave campaign were saying that would lead to decreased immigration.

This is a Boris statement from before the referendum - granted he does say he is pro-immigration, but the clear subtext here is that voting leave would lead to less immigration (deleted from the voteleave website hence the archive link):


In the 2019 Tory manifesto it says ' overall numbers will come down': https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan/conservative-party-manifesto-2019

I get it - they used 'take back control', but my argument is that that was widely understood to mean that brexit would be mean lower immigration (as promised in all Tory manifestos for a decade) and that has not happened.

I don't particularly mind that it hasn't - I wasn't concerned by EU free movement because the rights were reciprocal and immigration is largely driven by market demands. But if we are measuring the 'success' of brexit, then on this measure, it is a failure.
Except the party in charge, the main party in opposition and the third irrelevant party were all pro remain
 

HatsOff

Member
Mixed Farmer
Except the party in charge, the main party in opposition and the third irrelevant party were all pro remain
This isn't a leave/remain argument - that is over. Leave won. This is a question of whether Brexit is achieving what its proponents said (or implied) it would.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Except the party in charge, the main party in opposition and the third irrelevant party were all pro remain
Deflection Rob1. What's that git to do with the matter. You have a pro Leave Tory UKIP government since 2019. Immigration is increasing. Either Brexit didn't deliver the result many expected, ir the Leave side politicians lied or were fools. Take your pick.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
i can see that but now find I can’t really understand it🤔.
for example, here you here the French complain about macron and his government; not UVDL🤷‍♂️

oh, a real simple example… 3 years ago we bought a new rake, but a twin rotar one so with wheels. The dealer turned up with its (French) vehicle registration document 😳. I said. WTF, it’s a rake, he shrugged and said, « it’s France »….
yes, I think back in the uk the statement would of been « it’s the EU »
Makes stolen kit harder to sell as nobody French will buy without proper docs.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Except the party in charge, the main party in opposition and the third irrelevant party were all pro remain

Didn’t that tell you something?🤔

Me, I would do away with speed limits, or, at least make them something sensible like 150mph.
All parties are in favour of ridiculously slow speed limits. So, I have to think to myself, am I the only clever person in town and everyone else is daft ; or maybe I am the one in the wrong🤷‍♂️
 
i can see that but now find I can’t really understand it🤔.
for example, here you here the French complain about macron and his government; not UVDL🤷‍♂️

oh, a real simple example… 3 years ago we bought a new rake, but a twin rotar one so with wheels. The dealer turned up with its (French) vehicle registration document 😳. I said. WTF, it’s a rake, he shrugged and said, « it’s France »….
yes, I think back in the uk the statement would of been « it’s the EU »

What have the French got to complain about? The EU protects their industries. How many Peugeots or Citroens do you see in the USA? Now compare that with the number of LR and Jaguar products shed loads of which leave these shores each month from Avonmouth.

French electricity- all nuclear powered and so the lowest energy prices in Europe. Meanwhile Germany, shut all their plants, invested heavily in renewables, has the highest leccy price of anywhere.

French regional authorities basically ignore EU legislation. UK government gold plates it. GDPR is a classic example. Now they can hide behind it for all kinds of reasons. Was recently cited in a decision to disregard an FOI of the environment agency, for example.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
What have the French got to complain about? The EU protects their industries. How many Peugeots or Citroens do you see in the USA? Now compare that with the number of LR and Jaguar products shed loads of which leave these shores each month from Avonmouth.

French electricity- all nuclear powered and so the lowest energy prices in Europe. Meanwhile Germany, shut all their plants, invested heavily in renewables, has the highest leccy price of anywhere.

French regional authorities basically ignore EU legislation. UK government gold plates it. GDPR is a classic example. Now they can hide behind it for all kinds of reasons. Was recently cited in a decision to disregard an FOI of the environment agency, for example.

a good question...
But the yellow vests found something🤷‍♂️

or, ask @bobk, he is doing a masters in “complaining about all things french”👍
 

robs1

Member
Didn’t that tell you something?🤔

Me, I would do away with speed limits, or, at least make them something sensible like 150mph.
All parties are in favour of ridiculously slow speed limits. So, I have to think to myself, am I the only clever person in town and everyone else is daft ; or maybe I am the one in the wrong🤷‍♂️
Plenty of MPs of both parties were leave supporters, it was the official party policy of both to remain, remember the wild predictions they made that didnt happen and the lies they told, how many uk politicians have gone on to cushy jobs in the EU over the years, perhaps Cameron et al were looking after themselves.
 

robs1

Member
Deflection Rob1. What's that git to do with the matter. You have a pro Leave Tory UKIP government since 2019. Immigration is increasing. Either Brexit didn't deliver the result many expected, ir the Leave side politicians lied or were fools. Take your pick.
Immigration had nothing to do with why I voted leave and was only one part of the debate, what others voted for is their business
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
Has Brexit really been a failure re immigration, to date this year so far 60,000 Ukrainians have come to the UK along with thousands of migrants across the channel & untold thousands from else where, if we still had freedom of movement & the million plus EU citizens hadn't gone home who knows how many additional people would enter the UK this year alone, People complain about rising rents & the terrible cost of houses but would it be more affordable if all these extra people were still free to arrive?
Rents & house prices are only going to go one way as the country sinks under an ever expanding population!
Almost every house in the mid price band in our area is being snapped up for holiday lets. This is being fuelled by the demand by Brits for stay at home holidays. Judging by the chaos this week at the airports that trend is likely to continue.
I saw today where a government minister was castigating the travel industry for not preparing for the surge in demand. The airports are 100,00 employees light and cannot recruit enough staff. The irony is that almost every government department is totally dysfunctional because they haven`t woken up to the fact that life is returning to normal.:mad:
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Almost every house in the mid price band in our area is being snapped up for holiday lets. This is being fuelled by the demand by Brits for stay at home holidays. Judging by the chaos this week at the airports that trend is likely to continue.
I saw today where a government minister was castigating the travel industry for not preparing for the surge in demand. The airports are 100,00 employees light and cannot recruit enough staff. The irony is that almost every government department is totally dysfunctional because they haven`t woken up to the fact that life is returning to normal.:mad:

as I wrote elsewhere, currently easyJet (ironic or what) are very bad for last minute cancellations.
But... holiday “homes” are the pits for small communities 😕
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
as I wrote elsewhere, currently easyJet (ironic or what) are very bad for last minute cancellations.
But... holiday “homes” are the pits for small communities 😕
I agree with you to a point but the holiday industry is vital to our economy and the leading alternative would be a retired city dweller looking for a home in the country. Said person or persons would soon enter old age and become another statistic that the infrastructure cannot handle. Employment in rural industries has steadily fallen over the years so we have to accept that communities are populated by the holidaying and the dying.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
I agree with you to a point but the holiday industry is vital to our economy and the leading alternative would be a retired city dweller looking for a home in the country. Said person or persons would soon enter old age and become another statistic that the infrastructure cannot handle. Employment in rural industries has steadily fallen over the years so we have to accept that communities are populated by the holidaying and the dying.

promising outlook 😕
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
as I wrote elsewhere, currently easyJet (ironic or what) are very bad for last minute cancellations.
But... holiday “homes” are the pits for small communities 😕
Sadly government intervention has made holiday lets far more attractive, why be saddled with a bad tenant that government intervention has made it extremely difficult to evict when you can get as much for a weeks holiday let as you would for a months tenant income.
It will change but only when foreign holidays gets back to normal & the government admits it's mistakes & make tenants far more responsible, we also need a surplus of houses rather than a shortage so we need to stop expanding the UKs population faster than houses being built!
Changes with Universal credit where rental money is paid to the tenant not the landlord is another problem as it does not always get passed on to the landlord & arrears quickly build up, then you get into eviction problems.
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
It goes deeper than that. A family member and farmer is looking at mass development for his land or log cabins for holiday lets. Both represent an attractive alternative to farming but both will attract plenty of opposition from the locals. What alternative is more or less acceptible?
 

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