Morrisons changes to reduce milk waste

[Princess Pooper]

Longley farm cream was the same in the old days, never any dates people used their eyes and noses to see if it was still fit to eat.

For obvious reasons we don't buy milk, but when a local farmer started up milk round from their own cows, we signed up for one jar of cream a week + yoghurts/bread etc. as they were already delivering to a next door neighbour.

The cream never has a date on it (suspect the cream they sell in their little shop does). But at one jar a week I know if I've 3 jars in the fridge then at least one must be 3 weeks old - I have to be careful to rotate my stock. At Christmas I used all my surplus up and that was 4 jars. It was all fine. Obviously when it gets to us it might only be 24 hours since it left the cow (it is pasteurised), although suspect it's at least a couple of days.

 

[Wellytrack]

There are a few weird YouTube channels I drop in on from time to time, Steve1989 is one.

 

[Dry Rot]

For obvious reasons we don't buy milk, but when a local farmer started up milk round from their own cows, we signed up for one jar of cream a week + yoghurts/bread etc. as they were already delivering to a next door neighbour.

The cream never has a date on it (suspect the cream they sell in their little shop does). But at one jar a week I know if I've 3 jars in the fridge then at least one must be 3 weeks old - I have to be careful to rotate my stock. At Christmas I used all my surplus up and that was 4 jars. It was all fine. Obviously when it gets to us it might only be 24 hours since it left the cow (it is pasteurised), although suspect it's at least a couple of days.

Erm, isn't cheese just stale cream?

 

[Dry Rot]

Back in my misspent youth, I was a barman for a fairly swanky establishment in Leicester Square, London. It served quite the best steak I have ever eaten. (We ate what the punters ate by swopping drink for food).

Then one day I took a short cut through the kitchens and saw all the steaks lined up ready for cooking. They were green! I've never bothered much about sell by dates since, just use common sense.

 

[betweenthelines]

There's no legal standard for what use by or best before date should go on milk.

When I worked for a processor we used to put date of bottling + 8 days on it (so delivered to retailers with 7 days)
In the run up to Christmas it was standard practice to add an extra day's date to reduce the Dairy's wastage. Anything win the chill store with less than 6 days "life" would be re-pasteurised and re-bottled with the full 8 days life.
We did taste tests and provided it was refrigerated properly it would stay "fresh" for 14 or 15 days.

When we got taken over by a national dairy, they did get a bit stricter on re-pasteurising but due to the huge range of labels and bottle sizes it wasn't unusual to see an artic full (22,000 litres) of milk go off to the "pig farm" due to over production on some lines/bottle sizes

I can also recall a full trailer load just being "forgotten" in the yard until it was past it's "Use by date" We all thought there'd be a major sh!t storm when the Regional Director was told. He just said "Don't worry D--------( Dairy in the Midlands wastes that every week.) Total milk wastage in the business was well north of £1 million a year.


But we have come a long way from standing churns in a water trough until they're loaded on a truck to warm up in the sun while the driver had his bait.

 

[Princess Pooper]

Erm, isn't cheese just stale cream?

No! Don't you know your nursery rhymes? And for God's sake don't start spreading that untruth to the anti-dairy brigade!

 

[Tim G]

For obvious reasons we don't buy milk, but when a local farmer started up milk round from their own cows, we signed up for one jar of cream a week + yoghurts/bread etc. as they were already delivering to a next door neighbour.

The cream never has a date on it (suspect the cream they sell in their little shop does). But at one jar a week I know if I've 3 jars in the fridge then at least one must be 3 weeks old - I have to be careful to rotate my stock. At Christmas I used all my surplus up and that was 4 jars. It was all fine. Obviously when it gets to us it might only be 24 hours since it left the cow (it is pasteurised), although suspect it's at least a couple of days.

Is the cream in glass jars? There is some stupid legislation that means all the milk we bottle here into plastic bottles has to have a use by date (not best before) on it but glass bottles do not need it. Probably the same for cream.

 

[Sid]

Some of the issue is how people use milk.

It's for cereal or tea/coffee and a bit of cooking.

Do any consumers ever make rice pudding or junket anymore or even custard.
Can and tetra paks are so easy and you can have these products when you want them not just when there is excess milk.

These are great way to use up a volume of milk that's heading towards it best before time.

 

[Courier]

If normal milk is going off, it starts to curdle and you get white bits floating in your tea. Would skimmed milk even do this, or will it just go rancid? Just wondering

Raw milk sours, some folk find this quite palatable . - Pasteurised putrifies

 

[Tim G]

Raw milk sours, some folk find this quite palatable . - Pasteurised putrifies

We've customers for raw milk who wait for it to go sour before drinking it, and others who seem to believe that if there is a bottle of milk in our shop fridge with a days less date on it than the other, then it must be poisonous.

 

[Boysground]

Some of the issue is how people use milk.

It's for cereal or tea/coffee and a bit of cooking.

Do any consumers ever make rice pudding or junket anymore or even custard.
Can and tetra paks are so easy and you can have these products when you want them not just when there is excess milk.

These are great way to use up a volume of milk that's heading towards it best before time.

Not had junket for years, Mrs Bg makes a fine rice pudding, I am very partial to semolina both with homemade strawberry jam. It’s not a crumble or fruit pie in this house if it does not have custard, that’s the proper Birds custard and it must be thick

We go through a fair bit of milk, Add in a large caffeine consumption but only 2 of us have milk in coffee

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[Sid]

proper Birds custard and it must be thick

Not out of a tetra pak but made with whole milk and you can stand a spoon up in.
Not the yellow water you get when out for a meal

 

[Alias]

Grandmother used to make beastings from new calved milk (colostrum), put it in dish with raisins and sugar and left in the oven until it sets, and it was lovely. A few years ago I was talking to an old Pakistani man, and through his broken English he asked me for some colostrum, which I eventually provided. As a thankyou he brought me some back to try, and it was just like a spicier version of grandma’s. I sometimes think I’ve more in common with people from another continent than a lot of my incomer neighbours !

 

[yin ewe]

Not had junket for years, Mrs Bg makes a fine rice pudding, I am very partial to semolina both with homemade strawberry jam. It’s not a crumble or fruit pie in this house if it does not have custard, that’s the proper Birds custard and it must be thick

We go through a fair bit of milk, Add in a large caffeine consumption but only 2 of us have milk in coffee

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My granny used to make custard for Sunday dessert, so thick you could have cut it out with a knife, has taken me years to get over it.
Her porridge was the same and I still don't eat porridge, I think she has scarred me for life.

 

[Netherfield]

Not had junket for years, Mrs Bg makes a fine rice pudding, I am very partial to semolina both with homemade strawberry jam. It’s not a crumble or fruit pie in this house if it does not have custard, that’s the proper Birds custard and it must be thick

We go through a fair bit of milk, Add in a large caffeine consumption but only 2 of us have milk in coffee

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Alternative recipe for @Boysground

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/heart-attack-rice-pudding.265250/

 

[Boysground]

I remember as a child going to the sister in law of my fathers herdsman. This was at a dairy farm on the Quantocks I think. Anyway she used to make her own clotted cream I can still picture it simmering in a massive pan on the range. It was just fantastic. 45 years later I still remember the flavour

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[Boysground]

Alternative recipe for @Boysground

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/heart-attack-rice-pudding.265250/

Dont worry Mrs Bg is going to give that a go

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[Y Fan Wen]

Some of the issue is how people use milk.

It's for cereal or tea/coffee and a bit of cooking.

Do any consumers ever make rice pudding or junket anymore or even custard.
Can and tetra paks are so easy and you can have these products when you want them not just when there is excess milk.

These are great way to use up a volume of milk that's heading towards it best before time.

Some time in 2019 Mrs Y found that short grain rice for rice pudding had disappeared from every one of our local food shops, super and specialists. She had to ask the little one to do an online search and order 15 kilos to keep the p&p charge reasonable. We'll have to make another order in the next couple of months.