very little, 724 hardly knows its on even with 2000L fert in the tank
maybe should have gone for a CO8 ????
My new drill #pimpmydrill part 2 !
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very little, 724 hardly knows its on even with 2000L fert in the tank
maybe should have gone for a CO8 ????
Louis Mc
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- Meath, Ireland
Or a smaller tractor...
Is the fert 100l as? And are you putting it on to have more growth for grazing?
I like the 724's - good residuals, light weight and enough power to pull and be boss off an 18t grain trailer and maybe trailed sprayers in the future, 4 L/ha on the 750a and similar on this drill, its cheap enough without having to look at running Trantors ;-)
Fert is going on because we are later getting these covers in that I want to be, trouble was wheat wasn't ready so we couldn't get on sooner, they will be grazed, LOT more sheep here this winter planed, just urea (N20)
Louis Mc
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- Location
- Meath, Ireland
Are you rolling any afterwards?
probably not, it looks ok as is really
will roll OSR though I expect just as I think anything that can help with slugs in OSR should be done
- Location
- Vale of Belvoir
Amazone? I was thinking of fitting some like that on mine.
- Location
- Cambridgeshire UK
Accord z style from Pan Anglia, 10mm thick, they do a lighter 8mm as well which would be OK on a tilthy seedbed.
Louis Mc
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- Meath, Ireland
Spaldings do them
Think I need to move the drawbar pull for this to the link arms on a A frame as I had originally planned, it will help turning a lot I think until I can add an extra articulation between seed cart and tool bar over winter
It really working well in field but getting this in and out of some of our fields is "interesting" !
@RJW do sumo make a linkage A frame with Ball hitch and what would £ / availability be please ?
It really working well in field but getting this in and out of some of our fields is "interesting" !
@RJW do sumo make a linkage A frame with Ball hitch and what would £ / availability be please ?
Clive, would you mind if I ask what the specific problem is with the steering as it stands, in your opinion? Is it the turn radius? The reason I ask is that I operated a CO9 with a steering seed cart for a long time and know a bit about its peculiarities!
Ps. I'm a relatively new member and haven't posted before so if I'm speaking out of turn, please say so.
The issue is that it really doesn't follow the tractor well so turning in through even wide gates off a narrow lane means the rear of the drill cuts in badly, its hard to get into some of our land
The hydraulic steering of the seed cart helps but its trying to push against the rear packer roller which isn't steering, this lists the effect of that steering and feels like it placing a lot of stress on the steering rams and rods
It's fine in field though !
solution I have in mind is to place an articulation between seed cart and toolbar and also push the drawbar further back with a linkage A frame to provide more clearance from tractor rear wheels when on lock
seems poorly designed frankly with the obvious improvements above I wonder why Horsch didn't do similar ?
is your experience with a euro spec seed / fert hopper ? from conversations with others is seems the UK smaller wheel castoring axles work all together differently ?
any help / advice appreciated, other than this issue its working very well in its new role
A couple of questions- are you running the double acting steering circuit in float position all the time, when going forwards? And is the steering rams isolation tap under the rhs of the tank open? If yes, I'm afraid I can't help much!
The only advice I could offer is to consider that the control point is actually the rear packer axle line and as such the turn characteristics are like a rear axled lowloader - slow and late!
I remember it took me a while to get comfortable using the steering to reverse.
I found it helpful to think of it like a fifth wheel with a really short drawbar. Then I used the hydraulic control to "manage" the steering wheels while reversing, stopping tgem getting away from you- rather than forcing the wheels to go where you wanted.
The other reversing tip is to try and set up so that you only ever really have to reverse roughly straight! It makes life much easier!
When you said you were considering adding another pivot point between the seed cart and toolbar, my first reaction was "NOOOOO! Four steering pivot points!- But after thinking a bit more, I'm coming around to your idea- more each time I think about it!
You may have to lock the steering elements on the cart to the straight ahead position to stop it weaving when you don't need the extra articulation, though, such as in work, or at speed in transport.
You're spot on; fantastic tool in the field though. Mine had Terragrip tines which were as good as the Multigrip.
Sounds like you've got some really good ideas in the pipeline though, and I'm really interested in seeing where you go with the developments. You've got me dreaming up my own - admittedly fantasy - ULD drill mods now! Off to Agriaffaires to browse for inspiration.
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- Top of the Chilterns
I have just stumbled across this:
Forward speed and depth are clearly going to be an issue from a disturbance perspective - Clive, what sort of speed are you doing?
Also, I can't help wondering if, as well as a leading straight disc, a triangular profile tungsten tile rather than a flat one would help - does anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks
p.s. i've just bought a co4.....
Forward speed and depth are clearly going to be an issue from a disturbance perspective - Clive, what sort of speed are you doing?
Also, I can't help wondering if, as well as a leading straight disc, a triangular profile tungsten tile rather than a flat one would help - does anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks
p.s. i've just bought a co4.....
so far we have been drilling quite shallow either OSR (10mm) or cover crops (25mm) and disturbance has not been a lot at all, im very impressed really and as is I cant see any need for dics ahead of the tine - that view might changed though when we start drilling at cereal depth
we are drilling at 10-12kph - so slower than the 750a but not dramatically so really
I do think the metcalf design can probably be bettered and made much cheaper but its not bad at all really
yes its in float, sounds like we are doing it right and it just as you say like a rear axled low loader !
The plan with the extra pivot will be to make a locking pin for in field so we don't make it harder to reverse ! It will just be an articulation to make the back follow the front better when on the road or trying to get through gateways
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- Cambridgeshire UK
Nice video, I went Dutch openers which I'm pleased with but I don't want ULD on my drill. I also removed covering discs and replaced Harrow tines with Accord Z style 10mm dia. These are fabulous drills.
We made the video last April on our first outing with the Metcalf tines. Bought the 4CO in March and sowed barley and peas with Duetts mostly after a light run of a disc. Cultivation was to open ground that seemed to have tightened on top after a very wet winter and maybe inadequate green cover. Sowed one field of peas direct into stubble and did a lovely job and have since yielded well.
Pressure of work prevented messing around with Metcalfs which arrived during sowing but we left one acre trial strip where the video was made. It was sown when everything else was finished on April 21. Planet barley for malt at 175 kg/ha. We were concerned about capacity to tiller in 250mm rows sown so late so also did a pass each at 220 and 300 kg/ha (also using up the last of the seed in the hopper).
We had planned to count plants and heads at various stages and compare them to the surrounding crop but it honestly looked a bit thin and we were inclined to dismiss the concept for spring barley and questioning it for all cereals due to row width. The very low soil disturbance (and consequent low weed pressure) and ease of pulling were, however, very attractive.
It was harvested 10 days ago and weighed separately. I am reluctant to quote yields as the strip included no headland wasn't exactly a replicated trial. The 15 acre field as a whole yielded slightly above our 5 year average and all malted but the Metcalf strip seems to have done at least 20% better. I can't explain this but as I cut and weighed it myself I believe it.
The plan for this Autumn had been to sow mostly min-till with trial strips of Metcalf but we are now inclined to reverse that.
TRying to attach a couple of pictures of the Metcalfs sowing cover crop into stubble 8 days ago and emerged crop this morning.
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- Cambridgeshire UK
Hydraulic seed drive, posh ! I had the swivel air pipe under the fan drop out today, be aware that this can happen. I'd just done headland on small field and as struggled to find where seed stopped re drilled it all.