My new drill #pimpmydrill part 2 !

[Duosig]

No i bought one here in Norway. wery few co`s in here, so have been looking for one for quite a while.
This is the one i bought www.finn.no/b2b/agriculturetools/ad.html?finnkode=94840136

 

[Northdowns Martin]

No i bought one here in Norway. wery few co`s in here, so have been looking for one for quite a while.
This is the one i bought www.finn.no/b2b/agriculturetools/ad.html?finnkode=94840136

Well done

 

[Clive]

Have you used the fertilizer pipes, and do they work ok? Have just bought a CO4 with liquid fertilizer, and looking for low disturbance coulters with fert, but havent found any. is there really any other low disturbance coulters then metcalfe avaliable?

Yes used it with fert - works well

Had to make the pipes and adapt coulters ourselves though

 

[Steevo]

That is some VERY smart welding!! Fair play to whoever did that. I can't even make silicone sealer look that good!

 

[Clive]

Bit of iPhone video of us having a play with it last week

 

[Lukehaynes]

Seriously smart mods there Clive! Have you got any pics of crops behind the drill?

 

[Tractor tom7480]

I seriously suggest you should bring that rig along to the groundswell demo field @Clive just to show guys what can be done to make DD work without spending the price of a small house on shiny new & expensive kit !
Tom

 

[Philip Hedeng]

It's a case of horses for courses really !

There are situations where the CO is better and others where the 750a is

Both pretty good though, no failures or poor crops at all

CO better for osr and cover crops into chopped wheat

750a better after break crops and into covers

But both flexible enough to do either job if capacity is required - we can stick 300ac a day in if required now

Semi-on topic here, but I've read before you like the tine drill more for OSR drilling. Do you have an understanding as to why? I've had serious issues with OSR drilled by disc DD and I believe it's due to lack of easily penetrable soil for the roots to go through. I use a double disc coulter system which might smear the slot. Thinking about adding a tine drill system to this purpose.

 

[Steevo]

Semi-on topic here, but I've read before you like the tine drill more for OSR drilling. Do you have an understanding as to why? I've had serious issues with OSR drilled by disc DD and I believe it's due to lack of easily penetrable soil for the roots to go through. I use a double disc coulter system which might smear the slot. Thinking about adding a tine drill system to this purpose.

I wonder whether it's possible to DD OSR at all. I've used standard Duetts for planting OSR before direct into stubble but it doesn't work very well as you don't move enough soil when going shallow to properly cover the seed with crumbs. I was planning to run the Duetts through once first cultivating, then follow it up with the drill pass.

 

[Clive]

Seriously smart mods there Clive! Have you got any pics of crops behind the drill?

Thanks - I'm very pleased with it, especially given how little it's cost

Can get you some pics next week - away with family just now

 

[Clive]

Semi-on topic here, but I've read before you like the tine drill more for OSR drilling. Do you have an understanding as to why? I've had serious issues with OSR drilled by disc DD and I believe it's due to lack of easily penetrable soil for the roots to go through. I use a double disc coulter system which might smear the slot. Thinking about adding a tine drill system to this purpose.

Yes I think I understand why ! And it's the reason thIs drill exists on my farm

I think OSR is the hardest crop to zerotill by far with a 750a and it's down to the hairpining which is at its worst for shallow drilled crops like OSR after wheat or barley

You need to clean trash and straw from the row to consistently zerotill OSR so a disc drill either needs trash cleaners or you use a tine drill as the tine clears trash, this is why the strip till drills like Claydon and Mzuri etc don't do a half bad job of OSR generally speaking

The CO is better than my 750 for crops into chopped white straw residue but the 750 is much better after break crops (less hairpinable residue) and into thick tall and thick cover crops where the CO would just block up

Both drills together gives me options to cover all situations and a lot of capacity when required

 

[chickens and wheat]

does drill need a sump guard on the pipes under hopper? seem a bit exposed, Im thinking in a rough gate way or pulling onto a verge to let traffic pass

 

[Philip Hedeng]

Yes I think I understand why ! And it's the reason thIs drill exists on my farm

I think OSR is the hardest crop to zerotill by far with a 750a and it's down to the hairpining which is at its worst for shallow drilled crops like OSR after wheat or barley

You need to clean trash and straw from the row to consistently zerotill OSR so a disc drill either needs trash cleaners or you use a tine drill as the tine clears trash, this is why the strip till drills like Claydon and Mzuri etc don't do a half bad job of OSR generally speaking

The CO is better than my 750 for crops into chopped white straw residue but the 750 is much better after break crops (less hairpinable residue) and into thick tall and thick cover crops where the CO would just block up

Both drills together gives me options to cover all situations and a lot of capacity when required

In my case I think lack of friable soil beneath the seed was as much of a problem as hair pinning, but I could see both was an issue. So you wouldn't be afraid to use either of your drills in a low-trash OSR drilling situation where hair pinning is less of an issue?

 

[Clive]

does drill need a sump guard on the pipes under hopper? seem a bit exposed, Im thinking in a rough gate way or pulling onto a verge to let traffic pass

They have been moved about while it's been adapted, they are all being adjusted and going into a spira wrap conduit before this summer

They wouldn't last long as they are, also just now getting new rear marker boards and LED lights to tidy it up and make it safer on the road

 

[Clive]

In my case I think lack of friable soil beneath the seed was as much of a problem as hair pinning, but I could see both was an issue. So you wouldn't be afraid to use either of your drills in a low-trash OSR drilling situation where hair pinning is less of an issue?

If hairpinning was not an issue I would use either drill, I did this year and there is little or no difference between the crops right now

I would ALWAYS put N and S under a zerotill OSR crop and lime if ph was any less than near perfect

If it gets past week 1 September the seed stays in the bag as well

That's my own golden rules for consistent zerotill osr establishment

 

[Philip Hedeng]

If hairpinning was not an issue I would use either drill, I did this year and there is little or no difference between the crops right now

I would ALWAYS put N and S under a zerotill OSR crop and lime if ph was any less than near perfect

If it gets past week 1 September the seed stays in the bag as well

That's my own golden rules for consistent zerotill osr establishment

Yes, it's a crop that really need attention and support to establish well. The kind of soil it's put into set the rules. Thanks for your input. And really good work on the CO too

 

[SimonD]

If hairpinning was not an issue I would use either drill, I did this year and there is little or no difference between the crops right now

I would ALWAYS put N and S under a zerotill OSR crop and lime if ph was any less than near perfect

If it gets past week 1 September the seed stays in the bag as well

That's my own golden rules for consistent zerotill osr establishment

Do you remove straw and which cereal gives you worst hair pinning? I've a reasonable crop of WOSR which didn't suffer from hairpinning but it followed WW with the straw being removed. I'd be wary of chopping straw and expecting a disc to penetrate it.

Fully agree on fert, it's insurance and cost little in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Clive]

Do you remove straw and which cereal gives you worst hair pinning? I've a reasonable crop of WOSR which didn't suffer from hairpinning but it followed WW with the straw being removed. I'd be wary of chopping straw and expecting a disc to penetrate it.

Fully agree on fert, it's insurance and cost little in the grand scheme of things.

Rarely remove straw (only if we can swap for muck)

Fresh wheat, barley or oat straw all as bad as each orher for hairpin especially when shallow seed depth, all seem better after a bit of time / weather but you sometimes don't get that with OSR due to drilling date

I find the 750a can and has grown good (2t/ac) OSR crops drilled into chopped wheat but it's not as consistent

I'm told OSR after oats simply will not grow ? And I seem to have worse yields after barley than wheat from experience so far

 

[Longneck]

Rarely remove straw (only if we can swap for muck)

Fresh wheat, barley or oat straw all as bad as each orher for hairpin especially when shallow seed depth, all seem better after a bit of time / weather but you sometimes don't get that with OSR due to drilling date

I find the 750a can and has grown good (2t/ac) OSR crops drilled into chopped wheat but it's not as consistent

I'm told OSR after oats simply will not grow ? And I seem to have worse yields after barley than wheat from experience so far

For the last three years I've grown 4t/ha osr after spring oats. Some of the most even/consistent rape I've ever grown.

 

[Clive]

For the last three years I've grown 4t/ha osr after spring oats. Some of the most even/consistent rape I've ever grown.

Interesting, never tried myself but told by others it doesn't grow. Iirc @Jim Bullock had a failure in this situation but might be mistaken ?