New Hilux 48v Diesel Electric Mild Hybrid 4wd Pickup

[Lincsman]

Mild hybrid is about as good as stop start, fitted to many cars to get from Euro5 up to euro6, mine does nothing... because i disable it every time just before pressing the handbrake button.

 

[Macsky]

Mild hybrid is about as good as stop start, fitted to many cars to get from Euro5 up to euro6, mine does nothing... because i disable it every time just before pressing the handbrake button.

Surely it’s better than stop start, what a waste of time that is

 

[ollie989898]

They know how to make more efficient IC engines already, but with all the emissions regs throttling them with dpfs etc. they can only get so far. If regulators had pushed efficiency over emission reduction I do wonder where we’d be now, twice the mpg?

I think we've reached peak diesel engine technology. There isn't much else we can do to clean them up. Sure, might get some more efficiency squeezing out improvements here and there, but it's dead-end technology largely.

Battery powered vehicles will become mainstream in time.

 

[Macsky]

I think we've reached peak diesel engine technology. There isn't much else we can do to clean them up. Sure, might get some more efficiency squeezing out improvements here and there, but it's dead-end technology largely.

Battery powered vehicles will become mainstream in time.

I think they’ve had their day already. Hydrogen is the future

 

[Spencer]

Surely it’s better than stop start, what a waste of time that is

If you’ve ever sat in traffic in a city I think you’d think differently. Makes total sense in that situation, not so much in House of Brur car park at Pitlochry

 

[Steve welder]

 

[Cowabunga]

From what I see these mild hybrids don`t seem to do much better on mpg than a highly efficient non-hybrid yet they use up resources supplying the customer with a battery,motor, etc, etc...... It`s just a bl**dy stupid box ticking exercise, and a con trick to make the consumer think they`re doing their bit to save the planet.... I`m certain they`d be better putting their R and D resources in to achieving more efficient I C engines.

This is basically what it is. It’s an add-on modification to the engine that harvests some engine braking energy only to add it back when needed to save fuel. They work quite well as long as you accept is as being a more efficient IC engine. It comes at a cost of higher purchase price, a very very expensive motor/generator/starter and battery and all the extra long term maintenance and repairs that inevitably causes. I suspect the payback of the CO2 expended in manufacturing has a very very long payback and ditto the extra purchase cost against fuel cost saved.

There is also a fine balance when it comes to pickups as to how much weight it adds to the vehicle’s unladen weight. If the whole shebang weighs an extra 400kgs then bang goes your one ton carrying capacity and bang goes your VAT and tax concessions as it would cease to be a commercial vehicle. It would be in the same hopeless tax position as the Grenadier vans and Quartermaster pickup, plus the Ford Raptor and Amarok Aventura, all having considerably less than the required 1000kg cargo capacity.

 

[Cowabunga]

Big difference! But you have gone from something that was only doing 23 mpg ( VERY greedy to my mind! ) to something that`s doing 30 mpg. Plenty diesels in the UK will be in that 30mpg area without the complexity of two technologies...

I’m amazed that most mild hybrid cars are petrol/electric apart from Land Rover vehicles. My new Ranger has 200hp and actually averages 34mpg currently, which is about 6mpg better than the wheezy old one in similar driving. Obviously lightly laden mixed roads there, no towing. I never expected so much performance with so little fuel consumption. Vehicle efficiency has improved very much over the years along with performance gains.

 

[Cowabunga]

I think they’ve had their day already. Hydrogen is the future

Ammonia.

 

[Macsky]

Ammonia.

I take it that’s down to its practicability in terms of fuel storage and transport?

 

[Cowabunga]

I take it that’s down to its practicability in terms of fuel storage and transport?

Yes. It’s not fully developed yet, but neither is hydrogen. Ammonia is not a pleasant product and certainly nowhere near as energy dense as diesel or high pressure hydrogen but it’s no mobile bomb either.

 

[warksfarmer]

Big difference! But you have gone from something that was only doing 23 mpg ( VERY greedy to my mind! ) to something that`s doing 30 mpg. Plenty diesels in the UK will be in that 30mpg area without the complexity of two technologies...

VW 3.0 v6 will do 44mpg on long runs so why would anybody bother with a hybrid like you say

 

[CPF]

So the new Hilux hybrid, it’s only going to have a towing capacity of 2.7 T but the D max EVwill have 3.5 T and load capacity of 1Thttps://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/confirmed-all-new-toyota-hilux-launch-timing-revealed-as-next-generation-ford-ranger-rival#:~:text=Mr Hanley says.-,Toyota in Australia says the new model will launch locally,power alone from a PHEV.

 

[CPF]

Isuzu D-Max EV revealed! And it's coming to Australia, beating Toyota HiLux and Ford Ranger to market with a fully electric ute! - Car News

Isuzu has beaten a number of its direct rivals to the punch by revealing a fully electric version of its popular D-Max ute, and it will arrive in Europe first in 2025 before being offered in Australia. The D-Max BEV will headline Isuzu’s appearance at the Bangkok International Motor Show next...

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[lloyd]

VW 3.0 v6 will do 44mpg on long runs so why would anybody bother with a hybrid like you say

What's your new one averaging?

 

[hintonroadhero]

So the new Hilux hybrid, it’s only going to have a towing capacity of 2.7 T but the D max EVwill have 3.5 T and load capacity of 1Thttps://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/confirmed-all-new-toyota-hilux-launch-timing-revealed-as-next-generation-ford-ranger-rival#:~:text=Mr Hanley says.-,Toyota in Australia says the new model will launch locally,power alone from a PHEV.

In NZ only one hybrid Hilux available.....SR5 Cruiser 4WD...2.8 litre turbo 4 cylinder ..150kW/500Nm..6-speed auto...48v electric system..3500kg towing capacity braker..restyled front end..wireless phone charging. same power as diesel....less emissions....IN reality this is what it about..all car distributors are about to be taxed for the"average" CO2 emissions for the fleet they sell..so lesss emissions -less tax..If they go under the threshold.. they will earn credits... which interestingly they can sell....as is the case with Toyota selling credits to Suzuki... which of course.. they part own.

 

[warksfarmer]

What's your new one averaging?

Crap. 800 miles on the clock and 21 on short journeys.