M-J-G
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Not in this case, so no need to be sorry, more of a check on the self righteous than having a chip or any issues with self esteem.
I generally find a lot of the posts on these NI threads quite amusing for a variety of reasons.
NI Centenary
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I generally find a lot of the posts on these NI threads quite amusing for a variety of reasons.
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You presumably aren't aware that the fledgling Northern Ireland parliament had its first sitting in Assembly college, as it was called then, and for the subsequent 11 years until it's permanent home was ready? PCI is not a political organisation of course, which is why it was noted at today's event that it supports all politician's efforts to act for the betterment of all the people here, regardless of their party or ideology. It's painful for me to have to spell out the historical and present day significance of these things.
TBF, the letter is generally fine. BUT, marking the centenary of the partition of Ireland, IS a tricky constitutional position for the President. He is after all the titular Commander in Chief of the Irish Army, and guardian of the constitution. Boom, right there he has a tricky balancing act. He simply cannot mark or celebrate in any way, the partition of this island. It’s an utter anathema to us all down here, ALBEIT, the vast, vast majority accept it.
Higgins owes NOTHING, to ANYBODY, on the unionist side. He has been a life long thorn in the side of the Republican movement on this island, north and south.
Storm in a DUP cup, to be honest. They are glad of any distraction from their own mess.
Oh, by the way, the Queen was not invited to celebrate or mark in any way the Easter Rising. Why? Because it would have been disrespectful to put her in a position, where she would have to “respectfully” decline.
M-J-G
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No need to explain history, I was more replying to the fact that you felt some peculiar need to explain that the church was not banging a drum, I wouldn't have assumed they were.You presumably aren't aware that the fledgling Northern Ireland parliament had its first sitting in Assembly college, as it was called then, and for the subsequent 11 years until it's permanent home was ready? PCI is not a political organisation of course, which is why it was noted at today's event that it supports all politician's efforts to act for the betterment of all the people here, regardless of their party or ideology. It's painful for me to have to spell out the historical and present day significance of these things.
Will they support any party?
Betterment in who's opinion?
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Um, it was you who suggested they were drum banging, when they obviously weren't.
They don't support any party at all. They support those on all sides who presumably make genuine efforts to build peace and prosperity for all. We can argue all day who does or doesn't do that. But politicians are what they are, and you work with what the electorate have given you.
They don't support any party at all. They support those on all sides who presumably make genuine efforts to build peace and prosperity for all. We can argue all day who does or doesn't do that. But politicians are what they are, and you work with what the electorate have given you.
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Wow. You guys seem so bogged down in religious history. Why not just give it a rest and get on.
So the ROI is moving towards a pluralistic society. I’d flipping well hope so. Surely you lot on both sides aren’t still stuck in some kind of Protestant v Catholic frozen conflict? Stuck in a 400 year old time warp. It really is pathetic in my view. Get on the lot of you. Sick of hearing it. We are all sick of it on mainland U.K. TBH you all come across as religious fruitcakes on both sides. Wind it in and get along before the rest of the world loses patience. From here we see the “flat earther” DUP and on the other side the “Pope is God” republicans. Dear oh dear. Let’s create a load of old baloney reasons to hate one another. That’s what it looks like from here where we have all sorts of religions getting along. Many here have no sympathy with either side TBH, not least while they seem to emphasise division rather than soften it.
My great uncle was drawn into a conflict in Ireland that he wanted nothing to do with. All I’ll say is please do all you can to de escalate division. It helps nobody and I think neither side can expect much sympathy in England nowadays. We have bigger problems.
So the ROI is moving towards a pluralistic society. I’d flipping well hope so. Surely you lot on both sides aren’t still stuck in some kind of Protestant v Catholic frozen conflict? Stuck in a 400 year old time warp. It really is pathetic in my view. Get on the lot of you. Sick of hearing it. We are all sick of it on mainland U.K. TBH you all come across as religious fruitcakes on both sides. Wind it in and get along before the rest of the world loses patience. From here we see the “flat earther” DUP and on the other side the “Pope is God” republicans. Dear oh dear. Let’s create a load of old baloney reasons to hate one another. That’s what it looks like from here where we have all sorts of religions getting along. Many here have no sympathy with either side TBH, not least while they seem to emphasise division rather than soften it.
My great uncle was drawn into a conflict in Ireland that he wanted nothing to do with. All I’ll say is please do all you can to de escalate division. It helps nobody and I think neither side can expect much sympathy in England nowadays. We have bigger problems.
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I’d go as far as to say you are going go have to rely on one another, even on past adversaries, the way things seem to be panning out. England has enough problems at home!
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Well, exactly. And that's what events like these two are for. Rather than leave historical wounds undressed to fester, it's thought better to dress them at appropriate opportunities like this with realistic admissions of what the successes and failures of partition have been, what can be learned, and how we can improve our interactions in light of the historical context we have been given. That is what most people want I think, and never mind the hardliners who make the most noise.
For most people, like in England, religion has never been a source of conflict, but simply a personal thing (and really just a very recent phenomenon of the last 400 years or so). So I wouldn't get hung up on some Catholic v Protestant thing in your head. It's always been about the tensions between the rights of various people to be here. Since hunter gatherers first arrived as the ice caps receded, there has always been a steady drip drip of movement of people on and off these shores, from Spain, farmers from the middle East, metallurgy from the steppes of what's now Russia, and so on. Of course we all came from Africa if you go back far enough
. So, yes it's always been a nonsense for one 'group' to claim more right to be here than another.
Frankly, I look at the mainland and it's demographics, and I see here as being much more stable currently than England. Our immigration stalled by a couple of hundred years ago, while yours has been accelerating in the last century. I think you've got interesting times ahead. It's quite the melting pot. You've got fruitcakes too, like Tommy what's his face, claiming more right to be in England, while others want Islamic Jihad etc. And others want to have rival ethnic turf wars over things like drugs. Quite scary in some parts. Makes my locality seem very pedestrian! Plenty to think about eh?
No wonder loads of English people are snapping up houses as they retire to here at the moment. My in-laws are selling, and they've had offers over the phone from the mainland without viewing...
For most people, like in England, religion has never been a source of conflict, but simply a personal thing (and really just a very recent phenomenon of the last 400 years or so). So I wouldn't get hung up on some Catholic v Protestant thing in your head. It's always been about the tensions between the rights of various people to be here. Since hunter gatherers first arrived as the ice caps receded, there has always been a steady drip drip of movement of people on and off these shores, from Spain, farmers from the middle East, metallurgy from the steppes of what's now Russia, and so on. Of course we all came from Africa if you go back far enough
. So, yes it's always been a nonsense for one 'group' to claim more right to be here than another. Frankly, I look at the mainland and it's demographics, and I see here as being much more stable currently than England. Our immigration stalled by a couple of hundred years ago, while yours has been accelerating in the last century. I think you've got interesting times ahead. It's quite the melting pot. You've got fruitcakes too, like Tommy what's his face, claiming more right to be in England, while others want Islamic Jihad etc. And others want to have rival ethnic turf wars over things like drugs. Quite scary in some parts. Makes my locality seem very pedestrian! Plenty to think about eh?
No wonder loads of English people are snapping up houses as they retire to here at the moment. My in-laws are selling, and they've had offers over the phone from the mainland without viewing...
M-J-G
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I suggested nothing of the kind, can you point to where I suggested that.
The first talk of religious groups and drum banging was your your post #57.
I merely followed on asking questions about that
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I thought the Supreme Court was the guardian of the Irish Constitution?
M-J-G
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That was post 60 them banging a drum had never occurred to me until I read your post 57, I was merely asking why you would mention that, I thought it a peculiar thing to say when nobody had made any accusation of the likes.You seem to have yourself tied in knots.
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No not tied up at all thanks. Dr Wazzock made some confused references in his previous post, which I was answering. Ones which conflated the orange order and celebrations with the church service, which I disentangled by saying that the service was not drum banging, and nothing to do with the order. Simple. Anyway, reanalysis of posts can be rather boring.
Anyway, perhaps one of the most inoffensive and placid individuals in public life, has managed to get himself entangled in a cauldron of faux outrage. Outrage is a thing these days!
Pity he didn’t break some constitutional norms, by going to the service. SF would have had to play to their instincts, and utter their version of faux outrage, at the breaking of these knucklehead legalistic conventions.
I‘ve no doubt whatsoever the president would have gotten overwhelming public support, against any attempt by SF to undermine him.
Michael D, would privately have enjoyed that particular spectacle. SF, getting a lash from Joe Citizen.
Pity he didn’t break some constitutional norms, by going to the service. SF would have had to play to their instincts, and utter their version of faux outrage, at the breaking of these knucklehead legalistic conventions.
I‘ve no doubt whatsoever the president would have gotten overwhelming public support, against any attempt by SF to undermine him.
Michael D, would privately have enjoyed that particular spectacle. SF, getting a lash from Joe Citizen.
M-J-G
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That's correct it wasn't me, despite you're incorrect accusation.
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Unionists’ Brexit politicking has ensured Northern Ireland has no future | Northern Irish politics | The Guardian
The DUP thought Brexit was a chance to get a hard border back, but now they cling to the vestiges of their old dominance, says Irish writer and journalist Susan McKay
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Susan McKay is well known as anti unionist. This is a very coloured article. There certainly is truth in some of it of course. But she talks about unionism, as if it was one homogeneous ideology or force. That's nonsense. Lots of unionists did not vote for Brexit. Lots of unionists do not vote for the DUP. Lots of unionists cringe at the mention of Paisley. Lots of Unionists do not fear being a minority to a rational and fair nationalist majority (which obviously does not include the IRA's political front). I object to being generalised with her indiscriminate brush stroke journalism. It's terribly clumsy.
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