NI Centenary

[nivilla1982]

Susan McKay is well known as anti unionist. This is a very coloured article. There certainly is truth in some of it of course. But she talks about unionism, as if it was one homogeneous ideology or force. That's nonsense. Lots of unionists did not vote for Brexit. Lots of unionists do not vote for the DUP. Lots of unionists cringe at the mention of Paisley. Lots of Unionists do not fear being a minority to a rational and fair nationalist majority (which obviously does not include the IRA's political front). I object to being generalised with her indiscriminate brush stroke journalism. It's terribly clumsy.

The Guardian would hardly be unionist "friendly" at times.

 

[M-J-G]

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The main task for Jeff and Doug is to avoid splitting the unionist vote, because if they do they are basically assisting the RA in getting into power.

 

[nivilla1982]

The main task for Jeff and Doug is to avoid splitting the unionist vote, because if they do they are basically assisting the RA in getting into power.

The PIRA are already in government.

 

[M-J-G]

The PIRA are already in government.

Not as a majority though, aren't they level pegging with the UVF for seats.

 

[nivilla1982]

Not as a majority though, aren't they level pegging with the UVF for seats.

No the PUP (the UVF Party) don't have any seats.

 

[M-J-G]

No the PUP (the UVF Party) don't have any seats.

I mean the real one, not the token one.

 

[nivilla1982]

The real one?

 

[M-J-G]

The real one?

Yeah, you know, the one with deniability

 

[Wellytrack]

Yeah, you know, the one with deniability

I’m apolitical and tend to avoid discussion on Northern Irish politics as I find it increasingly tribal and depressing in its predictability but everyone knows there is only one party in Northern Ireland that has any credible or strong link to a paramilitary force.

I know you like to equate one to the other, and most often you are correct that one parties yin has a yang counterpart, however in this case SF has no equal.

 

[M-J-G]

I’m apolitical and tend to avoid discussion on Northern Irish politics as I find it increasingly tribal and depressing in its predictability but everyone knows there is only one party in Northern Ireland that has any credible or strong link to a paramilitary force.

I know you like to equate one to the other, and most often you are correct that one parties yin has a yang counterpart, however in this case SF has no equal.

Of course there isn't an equal, they have known terrorists as members in the party and don't show any shame in that, but their runner up sits on an ivory tower with deniability, as a party were founded by a terrorist, and his good friend (a well known terrorist) lead the distraction.
It's far from complicated.
At least trying to hide being involved shows they attach shame to terrorism.
But just because you don't admit to doing something doesn't mean you didn't do it.

Note how quiet an NI thread goes when that gets talked about, the boys aren't stupid.

 

[nivilla1982]

Desmond Boal?

 

[M-J-G]

Desmond Boal?

Him too?
Every day's a school day.

 

[Wellytrack]

Of course there isn't an equal, they have known terrorists as members in the party and don't show any shame in that, but their runner up sits on an ivory tower with deniability, as a party were founded by a terrorist, and his good friend (a well known terrorist) lead the distraction.
It's far from complicated.
At least trying to hide being involved shows they attach shame to terrorism.
But just because you don't admit to doing something doesn't mean you didn't do it.

Note how quiet an NI thread goes when that gets talked about, the boys aren't stupid.

Who are these terrorists you refer to?

 

[M-J-G]

Who are these terrorists you refer to?

Big fat Ian for starters.

 

[Wellytrack]

Big fat Ian for starters.

Big fat Ian was a manipulative derisive narcissist. He was also of his time, and within that time used his position of safety to attack and separate and turn people against their neighbour and fellow man in the name of religion rather than use it to extend some friendship and charity.

The same friendship and charity he somehow found in later times with a true terrorist, but only after 40 years of stoking the flames of hatred that Northern Ireland burned in.

There was that time he tried to raise a Militia akin to Carson and Peter the Punt was more than abit silly but that is still nowhere near being like the strength and reach of the IRA.

Paisley done more to setback a generation of Already traumatised youth all by himself. He didn’t need a terror squad.

 

[The Agrarian]

His weapon of choice was words, and he did help to turn people as above, also playing on fear. Paisley took fears and multiplied them, with his fairly unique oratory skills. A bit like trump in a way, though Trump was no public speaker by comparison. It's not a huge surprise that there's a fair crossover between those who are/were Paisley fans and those who admired Trump from this side of the Atlantic. Trump also did a good job of polarising American society.

 

[M-J-G]

Supposedly a man of God too.
I assume he was the only applicant

 

[nivilla1982]

NI100: Simon Coveney accepts centenary service invitation

It follows controversy over the event which is timed to coincide with the centenary of NI's formation.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[M-J-G]

NI100: Simon Coveney accepts centenary service invitation

It follows controversy over the event which is timed to coincide with the centenary of NI's formation.

www.bbc.co.uk

I suppose they had to due to the drama about old man Higgins not going.

 

[arcobob]

I agree that’s a sad situation. Surely though it must be getting to the point where non catholics aren’t discriminated against in ROI. Here in England most are non religious which maybe makes it difficult for us to understand sensitivities in Iteland

Some thirty years ago a ROI protestant admitted to me that they were not persecuted in the Republic. Who can fathom the situation other than describe any form of religious prejudice an act of the devil?