And you get them home and they lose the weight and end up humpy backed and narrow shouldered. Then they die.
narrow shoulders are in the bone structure ie skeletal just as poorly shaped (for birth) narrow hips are .And you get them home and they lose the weight and end up humpy backed and narrow shouldered. Then they die.
narrow shoulders are in the bone structure ie skeletal just as narrow hips are .
Its amazing how many do! We try to buy off farm now, flashy headed ram lambs look pretty but not what our customers want, they prefer something that goes on and works. (Although you can't guarantee it)So you go back and buy another one the next year.
Yes, but they don't look anywhere near as bad carrying an extra 20 kgs.narrow shoulders are in the bone structure ie skeletal just as poorly shaped (for birth) narrow hips are .
To put it a different way, if theres ever an need ( ) to pull off /assist a correctly presented lamb at birth its because of its shoulder /bone/skull shape structure size of same as narrow poor shape /angle of hips in the ewe .... not like fat or even muscle cover that squeezes out the way at the critcal moment wherea as bone is a solid immovable object (s) .Yes, but they don't anywhere near as bad carrying an extra 20 kgs.
Isn't that why you use Mule recips or C Secs?To put it a different way, if theres ever an need ( ) to pull off /assist a correctly presented lamb at birth its because of its shoulder /bone/skull shape structure size of same as narrow poor shape /angle of hips in the ewe .... not like fat or even muscle cover that squeezes out the way at the critcal moment wherea as bone is a solid immovable object (s) .
good example of that shoulder/ skull formation in practical context is the tapered /wedged shaped Charolais Ram.
no that's because pure Charolais ewes are a good example of the narrow hips partIsn't that why you use Mule recips or C Secs?
Ain’t human nature wonderfulSo you go back and buy another one the next year.
no that's because pure Charolais ewes are a good example of the narrow hips part
Sorry, i really must get back to work now.
Or a “let’s put the tup on a shitty little paddock and go and look for him a week before turning him in” regime.Still amazes me after contract shearing for over 20 years, the number of poor conditioned tups there are on farms. They definitely didn't look like that when they were brought as you'd be embarrassed to be seen in the same pen as them so they haven't coped well with a commercial regieme.
Your right the commercial regieme could well be stick them in the back paddock and forget about them for 11months when they definitely needed looking after better.Or a “let’s put the tup on a shitty little paddock and go and look for him a week before turning him in” regime.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but there are definitely two sides to this.
be careful if you want to be in it long term , I sold a 4t ram to someone not over expensive few years back a hogg left over from year before , he wasnt big but good shaped and sound , well they were so happy with his offspring they went to our prem sale for last few years for a better one !,(i bet they spent a fair bit when he told be the high index signet rams he bought and who from ) guess what , everything they bought crashed and burned , so i get a call this week want to come and have a early pick from my shearlings , the ram i sold them still alive and his offspring can easily be picked out the flock , wish i could say that the first time thats happened but its a regular occurance
thats what matters ,not the biggest cake in the window on one day , you live on your reputation long term !
if you read it again i altered it on my post before you posted , the breeders are all the same , i was just pointing out they went all out at the prem and some of the best indexed ,so they wernt cheap leftoversWhy do you feel the need to try to bash Signet recorded sheep again there? The issue is feeding them so hard for sale that they melt, which occurs just as much in unrecorded flocks as it does in some of those that record.
Gentlemen, gentlemen, lets not forget we are talking about showing here which is not about selling the same tups. Shows are sheep on the day hence judges are not given performance figures or anything else which might sway their opinion. Judging is about which of the over fed, bat fastards the judge would reluctantly take home from those gathered if he really had to. I saw a judge move a sheep down 4 places when an exhibitor grabbed his arm during the line walk to try to give him a five minute lecture on why this sheep was clearly the best and how the judge would have to be an idiot not to make it breed champ.
There might be an argument that shows at breed sales should be more commercially focused but even that is overshadowed by the idea that the biggest sums are paid by breeders of the same breed and not by folk wanting a commercial tup. Who has ever paid 30 grand for a commercial tup to cover mules and Shetlands?