Permanent muck heap

[N.Yorks.]

I’m just told there’s no where else to put it. One family member is very sympathetic but unfortunately they aren’t a decision maker.

Could you take it off their hands and use it yourself. Might want to get it turned a bit to get the heat going in which'll kill weed seeds etc...... might be worth something to you?

 

[betweenthelines]

Is it a commercial livery or riding stables? If it is, they are subject to annual inspection which would include approving their waste storage arrangements.

If not, they're just another farmer with a dung heap.

Nearly every farmer has neighbours that complain about something. I expect you do too.

I see you have joined TFF today, have you done so just to complain about this?

 

[betweenthelines]

I fully expect we will see a post soon along the lines of:

I haven't been able to move the muck from outside my stables where my daughter keeps her pony because of the wet weather. My neighbour (one field and few geriatric ewes) has started harassing me, saying the muck needs moving, it's a health hazard, slurry is flooding his field and weed seeds are infesting his land etc.

Should I just ignore him?

 

[harrow]

If you don't want it encourage the stables to give the muck heap to local gardeners ?

 

[Al R]

My ewes run at ragwort like it’s Christmas, never seen them so happy as when they see ground thats been under corn and there’s the odd ragwort plant on the hedge they go chicken oriental for it

 

[Hotcrossbun]

Is it a commercial livery or riding stables? If it is, they are subject to annual inspection which would include approving their waste storage arrangements.

If not, they're just another farmer with a dung heap.

Nearly every farmer has neighbours that complain about something. I expect you do too.

I see you have joined TFF today, have you done so just to complain about this?

I’m not complaining I’m asking if there is any legislative guidance. Yes I did join specifically to ask as I’ve not found any specific information elsewhere and thought that knowledge would be here. Is that a problem? It is a commercial livery but owners have other jobs - not farming, and I know that they have not been inspected for many many years.

 

[Hotcrossbun]

Is it full of twine, plastic bags and wormer syringes?

Not really. A few bales of silage still in plastic now grown over and some building rubble (they do a little developing ) - there’s a sink (or toilet) partially buried somewhere too - but it’s not strewn with waste. I’m not looking to get them into trouble - just looking for ways to get them to see that what they are doing is not sustainable.

The well rotted manure will make very good garden compost

at worst talk to them
the compost would be of value spread an land for farming but classed as waste if not for farming

It goes in one ear

Could you take it off their hands and use it yourself. Might want to get it turned a bit to get the heat going in which'll kill weed seeds etc...... might be worth something to you?

the heap has road access so they would never sell it and they keep saying that they have nowhere else to put a heap so renting it to me wouldn’t be an option. They did offer to sell me half of it a year or two ago but because of access issues it wasn’t worth it.

 

[Hotcrossbun]

I fully expect we will see a post soon along the lines of:

I haven't been able to move the muck from outside my stables where my daughter keeps her pony because of the wet weather. My neighbour (one field and few geriatric ewes) has started harassing me, saying the muck needs moving, it's a health hazard, slurry is flooding his field and weed seeds are infesting his land etc.

Should I just ignore him?

it’s a commercial livery

 

[betweenthelines]

As I said if it's a commercial livery it will be subject to regular inspections.

How do you know they have not been inspected? Do the Authorities inform you when they carry out inspections?
What relevance is it that the owners have non farming jobs? Do you?

Your OP certainly seems like a complaint.

I see you style yourself a "mixed farmer" may I ask how many acres you farm as I find it hard to believe a full time farmer would be so upset by a bit of horse dung ?

 

[topground]

As I said if it's a commercial livery it will be subject to regular inspections.

How do you know they have not been inspected? Do the Authorities inform you when they carry out inspections?
What relevance is it that the owners have non farming jobs? Do you?

Your OP certainly seems like a complaint.

I see you style yourself a "mixed farmer" may I ask how many acres you farm as I find it hard to believe a full time farmer would be so upset by a bit of horse dung ?

Regular inspections for what? You might be right if it is a riding establishment where horses are let out for hire or reward but if it is just livery What licence, assurance or permission is required?unless of course they are supplying Tesco for their RT horse burgers.

 

[Highland Mule]

I see you style yourself a "mixed farmer" may I ask how many acres you farm as I find it hard to believe a full time farmer would be so upset by a bit of horse dung ?

I wouldn’t be happy with a many year old half acre midden beside me - would you?

 

[Cowmansam]

To be fair I’ve seen a few massive muck heaps that never get emptied from livery yards they never seem to have thought of what there going to do with it and then don’t want to spread it as they have horses grazing every inch of the place

 

[Cowmansam]

Occasionally they set it on fire so it can stink for weeks on end

 

[Classichay]

just say you will take it away for X amount / load rock up with a 12-14T spreader and take it away. They actually have to have it removed as its classed as commercial waste with being a livrey stables. Place a few villages away had EA put them through court.

 

[robs1]

Regular inspections for what? You might be right if it is a riding establishment where horses are let out for hire or reward but if it is just livery What licence, assurance or permission is required?unless of course they are supplying Tesco for their RT horse burgers.

I've been running a livery for over 20 years, all with full planning etc, never had an inspection yet

 

[Hotcrossbun]

If you don't want it encourage the stables to give the muck heap to local gardeners ?

I think because their main jobs are outside of the farm, they don’t have time.

 

[Hotcrossbun]

As I said if it's a commercial livery it will be subject to regular inspections.

How do you know they have not been inspected? Do the Authorities inform you when they carry out inspections?
What relevance is it that the owners have non farming jobs? Do you?

Your OP certainly seems like a complaint.

I see you style yourself a "mixed farmer" may I ask how many acres you farm as I find it hard to believe a full time farmer would be so upset by a bit of horse dung ?

I’m a smallholder on a small plot - have had pigs, have a few sheep, hens etc Is this forum only for people that farm on an industrial scale?

 

[Hotcrossbun]

If you don't want it encourage the stables to give the muck heap to local gardeners ?

It would take years for gardeners to even make a dent in it.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

I’m a smallholder on a small plot - have had pigs, have a few sheep, hens etc Is this forum only for people that farm on an industrial scale?

no it’s for anyone. Some on here are a bit tetchy and few of us hate horses (me included!)

been a few harsh posts above, it’s hard to see how you can solve this, I would be tempted to ask them if they had a problem with you removing it, sounds like they don’t care either way.

then plant a few trees against boundary and move on

 

[theboytheboy]

As I said if it's a commercial livery it will be subject to regular inspections.

How do you know they have not been inspected? Do the Authorities inform you when they carry out inspections?
What relevance is it that the owners have non farming jobs? Do you?

Your OP certainly seems like a complaint.

I see you style yourself a "mixed farmer" may I ask how many acres you farm as I find it hard to believe a full time farmer would be so upset by a bit of horse dung ?

Be interested to see where you have heard of this inspection of livery yards. We have one that's been running 38 years and never had an inspection.....I've probably jinxed it now