Pig muck value

[Pan mixer]

I do muck for straw on some - I bale and cart, he carts the muck back and I spread, we are both happy with that.

 

[Pan mixer]

I never bother with that. What a palaver turning a muck heaps would be, especially tipped in fields. Pig muck isn’t like strawy stuff that’s come out of dry cow yards or sheep sheds( which from experience is the worst type of muck). Get it spread with a Bunning and it soon breaks up

Putting it in a heap at the farm for a month or so and then carting it to a field heap is turning it though, pig muck is fine without too much turning, the cattle and sheep stuff doesn't rot properly without moving it about.

An old farmer I used to know in Norfolk was famous for getting his men to turn the muck heap - this was in the days of horses and tumbrils and hand forks.

He would spread a length of chain out on the site of the muck heap, weaving it back and forth, get his men to tip the muck all over it and then, in the winter he would send them to turn the heap and 'get that chain back. It couldn't be pulled out at all apparemntly due to being well stuck in and the whole heap had to be turned to get the chain.

Those sorts of bosses don't exist any more thank goodness.

 

[deleted user 837354]

I do muck for straw on some - I bale and cart, he carts the muck back and I spread, we are both happy with that.

Sorry, I'm slightly confused, are you the 'buyer' of the straw or the provider of the straw? Seems a rather one-sided arrangement with straw worth what it is?

 

[Pan mixer]

Sorry, I'm slightly confused, are you the 'buyer' of the straw or the provider of the straw? Seems a rather one-sided arrangement with straw worth what it is?

Sorry, I am the buyer - straw might be worth money where you are but over here it isn't most years and is almost universally chopped.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Sorry, I am the buyer - straw might be worth money where you are but over here it isn't most years and is almost universally chopped.

Ah, I see. A very fair arrangement in those circumstances.

 

[snarling bee]

I think you need a new calculator or have a decimal point wrong somewhere?

I'm sure you have a copy of RB209 and a calculator. You are no doubt FACTS qualified, lets see your working.
The 2000 pigs we look after eat over 1000 tonnes of feed per year, and only put on 440 tonnes meat, take away the energy and there is a lot of nutrient left.

According to RB209 1 tonne of Pig FYM contains (available):
3.6 kg P2O5 @ £0.65
7.2 kg K2O @ £0.50
3.4 kg SO3 @ £0.25
1.8 kg MgO @ £0.50
0.7 kg N @ £0.75

Crunch the numbers on that then per tonne it is £8.21
x 1400 tonne = £11,501.

Alternatively RB209, section 2 page 26, gives the ha value of Pig FYM spread at 35t/ha as £309/ha.
1400/35x£309 is £12,360.

I rest my case.

 

[Pan mixer]

I'm sure you have a copy of RB209 and a calculator. You are no doubt FACTS qualified, lets see your working.
The 2000 pigs we look after eat over 1000 tonnes of feed per year, and only put on 440 tonnes meat, take away the energy and there is a lot of nutrient left.

According to RB209 1 tonne of Pig FYM contains (available):
3.6 kg P2O5 @ £0.65
7.2 kg K2O @ £0.50
3.4 kg SO3 @ £0.25
1.8 kg MgO @ £0.50
0.7 kg N @ £0.75

Crunch the numbers on that then per tonne it is £8.21
x 1400 tonne = £11,501.

Alternatively RB209, section 2 page 26, gives the ha value of Pig FYM spread at 35t/ha as £309/ha.
1400/35x£309 is £12,360.

I rest my case.

If your land (as I am sure that I remember) hasn't had much muck for years this will make a lot more difference than that too.

I took on an arable farm in the 90's and plastered it with muck for years and the difference with the neighbouring land after only a few years was remarkable, a neighbour ploughing with a 12 furrow wagon plough being followed by 4 gulls, me ploughing the same day with my lowly 4 furrow, roughly 5000. Had to keep wiping the windows.

Value of the nutrients aside there is a vast improvement in friability etc, at least there is on my soil.

 

[Hilly]

If your land (as I am sure that I remember) hasn't had much muck for years this will make a lot more difference than that too.

I took on an arable farm in the 90's and plastered it with muck for years and the difference with the neighbouring land after only a few years was remarkable, a neighbour ploughing with a 12 furrow wagon plough being followed by 4 gulls, me ploughing the same day with my lowly 4 furrow, roughly 5000. Had to keep wiping the windows.

Value of the nutrients aside there is a vast improvement in friability etc, at least there is on my soil.

How many tons pig muck per acre would be required to get a decent silage crop ??

 

[Pan mixer]

How many tons pig muck per acre would be required to get a decent silage crop ??

none if you want a decent silage crop without any muck in it.

I never put muck on grass, did it once and sheep died the next Spring in droves from some sort of infection.

Slurry is a different thing though but I don't have any of that.

 

[Matt]

Most we have found to be able to go in. Is about 6 to 7 ton acre. Spread with bunning spinning deck spreader so it gets spread well and smashed up well. But any lumps wouldn't of gone in properly.

We did spread a bit spare on grass this spring. We had to bale that as didn't want to chop muck up as could see it in swath.

Haylege turned out ok!

 

[Hilly]

Most we have found to be able to go in. Is about 6 to 7 ton acre. Spread with bunning spinning deck spreader so it gets spread well and smashed up well. But any lumps wouldn't of gone in properly.

We did spread a bit spare on grass this spring. We had to bale that as didn't want to chop muck up as could see it in swath.

Haylege turned out ok!

Ipresume it grew well at that rate

 

[Matt]

Ipresume it grew well at that rate

It helped.
But not overly to be honest.
When we spread down tramlines in spring. You are only looking at around 15% of n available to that crop

 

[Hilly]

none if you want a decent silage crop without any muck in it.

I never put muck on grass, did it once and sheep died the next Spring in droves from some sort of infection.

Slurry is a different thing though but I don't hav

Most we have found to be able to go in. Is about 6 to 7 ton acre. Spread with bunning spinning deck spreader so it gets spread well and smashed up well. But any lumps wouldn't of gone in properly.

We did spread a bit spare on grass this spring. We had to bale that as didn't want to chop muck up as could see it in swath.

Haylege turned out ok!

If you put a ton of straw in for pigs how many ton removed ?

 

[thorpe]

The straw is worth a fair bit of money around here though. Enough to pay for dung to be carted and possibly even spread I would suggest.

Muck definitely needs turning at least once after being heaped up, it breaks down, there is less smell and spreads a lot easier.

if the smell's gone there aint much left!

 

[Cab-over Pete]

I remember Dad had pig muck and also some pig slurry spread on his grass years ago.

It made the grass grow differently somehow, all scruffy and with a big, wide leaf. That sounds good and it did look good, but it tainted the grass and the silage wasn’t very good if I recall correctly.