Shogun 3.2 Lwb or Discovery 4

[Superted820]

Any good or bad comparisons. Basically I need an occasional 4wd, occasional towing vehicle, 6 seats when all the kids and other half are with me. But a vehicle I can use and enjoy driving. Any help with comparing the two would be appreciated. Looking at second hand obviously.

 

[H200GT]

Disco 4 is hands down the better vehicle in terms of comfort performance and ergonomics. But given your situation a shogun may be the better bet.

With both models getting on a bit, the disco can come with some hefty repair bills, timing belts need doing at circa 100k, not an easy job, and there are plenty that will have had turbos post 100k as well, again a big job. They also come with the risk of well documented catastrophic engine failure, which will require a new engine to put right £££££

The shogun by comparison is much simpler and easier to work on should it need repairing, and the 3.2 is fairly reliable engine. The autos are awful IMO, I would only go for manual transmission. Models post circa 2012 facelift were more powerful and are far better on fuel, although still not exactly frugal. Another bonus was they didn't have dual mass flywheels post facelift. One concern for me would be parts with mitsubishi no longer in the uk, all will be available but shipping and handling times may be longer and parts more expensive.

 

[Superted820]

Disco 4 is hands down the better vehicle in terms of comfort performance and ergonomics. But given your situation a shogun may be the better bet.

With both models getting on a bit, the disco can come with some hefty repair bills, timing belts need doing at circa 100k, not an easy job, and there are plenty that will have had turbos post 100k as well, again a big job. They also come with the risk of well documented catastrophic engine failure, which will require a new engine to put right £££££

The shogun by comparison is much simpler and easier to work on should it need repairing, and the 3.2 is fairly reliable engine. The autos are awful IMO, I would only go for manual transmission. Models post circa 2012 facelift were more powerful and are far better on fuel, although still not exactly frugal. Another bonus was they didn't have dual mass flywheels post facelift. One concern for me would be parts with mitsubishi no longer in the uk, all will be available but shipping and handling times may be longer and parts more expensive.

Thank you

 

[Dave W]

I had a 3.2 auto and loved it. Had it 3 years with plenty of heavy towing no issues at all.
Only thing it wouldn’t do is drive past a petrol station without needing a drink.
Pity they don’t do Touareg in 6 seats as that would be an infinitely better buy

 

[koshari]

Out of the box the disco is a more capable of roader however it doest take much investment in the shogun to eclipse it. For your needs of occasional 4wd,'ing and a bit of towing the paj as we call em will do it in a canter, dont know about in the uk but here in Au the shogun/paj towball weight is rerated from 250kg to 190kg if towing over 2.5t.

 

[H200GT]

I had a 3.2 auto and loved it. Had it 3 years with plenty of heavy towing no issues at all.
Only thing it wouldn’t do is drive past a petrol station without needing a drink.
Pity they don’t do Touareg in 6 seats as that would be an infinitely better buy

Same, had a swb 2012 shogun, it was a great tool and very reliable over the 140k I put on it.

That said Dads disco 4 is better in every way. But its not been a cheap vehicle to own, at under 100k its had brake calipers (electric handbrake issues) front suspension repairs, propshaft centre bearing, coolant expansion tank and its just had the timing belts. The shogun needed none of the above (chain driven engine)

We considered a disco 4 as a family vehicle for us, but the repair bills scare me. The thought of the possibility of having to put a new engine in a car of that age at a cost of half its value really doesn't appeal to me.

 

[koshari]

Disco 4 is hands down the better vehicle in terms of comfort performance and ergonomics. But given your situation a shogun may be the better bet.

With both models getting on a bit, the disco can come with some hefty repair bills, timing belts need doing at circa 100k, not an easy job, and there are plenty that will have had turbos post 100k as well, again a big job. They also come with the risk of well documented catastrophic engine failure, which will require a new engine to put right £££££

The shogun by comparison is much simpler and easier to work on should it need repairing, and the 3.2 is fairly reliable engine. The autos are awful IMO, I would only go for manual transmission. Models post circa 2012 facelift were more powerful and are far better on fuel, although still not exactly frugal. Another bonus was they didn't have dual mass flywheels post facelift. One concern for me would be parts with mitsubishi no longer in the uk, all will be available but shipping and handling times may be longer and parts more expensive.

Surely you speak of the earlier jatco auto trans being sub par because the later aisin boxes are great,

 

[H200GT]

Surely you speak of the earlier jatco auto trans being sub par because the later aisin boxes are great,

Possibly, dad had a new 16 plate swb auto very briefly, it was horrible. My 12 plate manual was far better. He traded within 12 months as he just couldn't get on with it and went back to owning Discovery's.

 

[koshari]

I had a 3.2 auto and loved it. Had it 3 years with plenty of heavy towing no issues at all.
Only thing it wouldn’t do is drive past a petrol station without needing a drink.
Pity they don’t do Touareg in 6 seats as that would be an infinitely better buy

We have 2 off 4m41s and they are as reliable as you could get, one is sneaking up on 500k (triton/l200) and the other just hit 280k (paj/shogun). Very easy to defeat the egr that is problematic.

 

[koshari]

Heres ours with the van that spends a bit of time on the back of her, firmer springs and a little bit of lift.

 

[Superted820]

The shogun I’m looking at is 2016, 3.2 Di, auto box euro 6.
done 60k miles and they want £20k for it. Looks tidy but not had a test drive yet.
For the same money discovery 4 is looking a few years older with more miles on the clock.

 

[koshari]

The shogun I’m looking at is 2016, 3.2 Di, auto box euro 6.
done 60k miles and they want £20k for it. Looks tidy but not had a test drive yet.
For the same money discovery 4 is looking a few years older with more miles on the clock.

i didnt think any 4m41s met euro6? hence why they dont build them anymore. we are about to go Euro 6 here in Au

Strict new-car emissions standards coming to Australia from 2025, utes and 4WDs among hardest hit

Tougher standards for tailpipe emissions from new petrol and diesel vehicles are due to roll out in Australia starting in 2025.

www.drive.com.au

 

[Farmer_Joe]

@H200GT has nailed it really, d4 much nicer vehicle better power gearbox suspension and interior, and MUCH nicer to drive but reliability not as good.

mitzi parts are eye watering so beware make lr parts look like gifts!

one plus point on parts is because there’s so many lr about there huge amounts of after market parts about, I don’t find my d4 bad to work on worst thing I’ve had to do is an egr pipe, I’ve worked on a lot of stuff and actually find it fine to work on think-some people are put off as they finding them daunting!

 

[Paddington]

Talking about Shoguns, has anybody removed/replaced that silly blanking plate below the AC controls without taking half the dashboard out ?

 

[Baker9]

if you are buying a Shogun check for corrosion around the wheel arches especially the rear ones and if you are going to keep it a while you may need to look at treating the underneath, The reason I am saying is that I had to scrap an 06 SWB as it was totally gone with rust and any I have looked at since a lot of them are rust buckets as well. I know the older Discos suffer from the same defect so beware and Bitsamissin parts are a shocker.

 

[koshari]

Talking about Shoguns, has anybody removed/replaced that silly blanking plate below the AC controls without taking half the dashboard out ?

It is silly and sadly you have to remove half the dash, the only real alternative is to keep the tub bit and dremmel out the card clot and use oush in switch gangs. But if you stuff it your back to plan a.

 

[koshari]

if you are buying a Shogun check for corrosion around the wheel arches especially the rear ones and if you are going to keep it a while you may need to look at treating the underneath, The reason I am saying is that I had to scrap an 06 SWB as it was totally gone with rust and any I have looked at since a lot of them are rust buckets as well. I know the older Discos suffer from the same defect so beware and Bitsamissin parts are a shocker.

Pretty much all rigs in the uk cop this due to salting the roads and long winters. The top seal above rear door was prone to rust on some models however and should be regularly checked and treated ir required.

 

[Paddington]

It is silly and sadly you have to remove half the dash, the only real alternative is to keep the tub bit and dremmel out the card clot and use oush in switch gangs. But if you stuff it your back to plan a.

I think all the cars I have owned have had blanking plates removable from the front with a couple of screwdrivers, might break the odd tag but they all came out.

 

[Timbo]

if you are buying a Shogun check for corrosion around the wheel arches especially the rear ones and if you are going to keep it a while you may need to look at treating the underneath, The reason I am saying is that I had to scrap an 06 SWB as it was totally gone with rust and any I have looked at since a lot of them are rust buckets as well. I know the older Discos suffer from the same defect so beware and Bitsamissin parts are a shocker.

Fuel filler neck is the usual demise of running problems / the engines fuel system on these..

 

[Baker9]

Fuel filler neck is the usual demise of running problems / the engines fuel system on these..

Aye., they run real well on water and it is really good for the injector pump.