Shooting tenant farm

Overby

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South West
I've asked this in the Tenant section but as long as nobody minds i'll stick it in here too as I really could do with as much advice as possible.


A query for those tenants amongst us (or those with knowledge on such matters).

Our landlord has upped his commercial shooting enterprise. The farm has several woodlands dotted around it and these are now all occupied by commercial shoots. The woodlands are not part of the tenancy, the surrounding fields are.

We get on well with the landlord and are on good terms but the shooting aspect has become a bit of an issue.

The individuals who are in the shoot have now taken to (without informing us) driving all their vans and pick ups etc into our fields that surround the woods. They then park wherever they like, exit said vehicles and 'sweep', Rambo style through our AB9 towards the woods, guns out and cocked (not a few metres, they creep through a 5 ha plot in a 30 acre field).

A grass field we don't drive on in the winter to preserve the condition was awash with pick ups racing over it 2 weeks back.

There is obviously the Game Acts and the Wildlife Act etc, which are in our tenancy, as is usual, but this seems a bit off.

We also have a few horses, (with LL permission) and these areas now being ridden roughshod over are where the horses get hacked, so they're either out of bounds or the riders get terrified.

Is all this normal? The shooters aren't entering the land for rodent control, the birds are bred in the woods for commercial purposes. The LL has the shooting rights but this is randoms who've paid to shoot in the woods, strutting all around the farm, guns out.

Do people who buy shooting syndicates off the LL for the adjacent woods have unlimited access to our entire farm as and when they please?

I'm all for give and take but not a fan of taking the pi55.

Any experience?
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Speak to LL (or his agent) in the first instance. Depending on the reaction, be prepared to get an agent to act on your behalf.

I met with my LL’s agent on just this matter recently, although my inconsiderate d*ckheads aren’t as bad as yours, and dispute is far from settled as yet.

If everyone got on and showed abut of mutual respect then there would be no great issues.
Most of the time, farmers just grumble and put up with a bit of damage from the drunken morons, but you don’t have to. Shoot tenants will normally be liable for any damage they do, as well as reinstatement if necessary.
 

thesilentone

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Cumbria
This has become a bone of contention as communication has been poor.

I have shot over Estate owned tenanted farms, where the tenant(s) were far from amused by the whole situation, and in one case became obstructive, so I stopped going.

If the landlord made everything 100% clear from day one, these situations should never arise.

There has been several threads about this, going as far as the tenant farmer claiming losses from the shoot.

It all makes for bad-blood and confrontation - no good.

If I were you, I would find out who the shoot captain is, and raise your concerns with him/her.

If everyone is reasonable it should be easily resolved.

If you cannot agree, then take it up with the Landlord.
 
Does the landlord retain the sporting rights and let some days shooting out or have they let out the sporting rights as a whole?
In my experience things usually work better for the tenant in the former case rather than the latter, as long as relations with the keeper are okay.
 

Forkdriver

Member
Livestock Farmer
Your tenancy agreement may provide for your quiet enjoyment of the land. Shooting rights do not allow carte blanche to drive all over the place, merely to take game.
You are entitled to claim compensation from the tenant, but I think you need to escalate your concerns to your landlord as if he or she is not local they may not realise what a bunch of cowboys they are.
Perhaps you could take the shooting rights and run the shooting yourself?
 

serf

Member
Location
warwickshire
I've asked this in the Tenant section but as long as nobody minds i'll stick it in here too as I really could do with as much advice as possible.


A query for those tenants amongst us (or those with knowledge on such matters).

Our landlord has upped his commercial shooting enterprise. The farm has several woodlands dotted around it and these are now all occupied by commercial shoots. The woodlands are not part of the tenancy, the surrounding fields are.

We get on well with the landlord and are on good terms but the shooting aspect has become a bit of an issue.

The individuals who are in the shoot have now taken to (without informing us) driving all their vans and pick ups etc into our fields that surround the woods. They then park wherever they like, exit said vehicles and 'sweep', Rambo style through our AB9 towards the woods, guns out and cocked (not a few metres, they creep through a 5 ha plot in a 30 acre field).

A grass field we don't drive on in the winter to preserve the condition was awash with pick ups racing over it 2 weeks back.

There is obviously the Game Acts and the Wildlife Act etc, which are in our tenancy, as is usual, but this seems a bit off.

We also have a few horses, (with LL permission) and these areas now being ridden roughshod over are where the horses get hacked, so they're either out of bounds or the riders get terrified.

Is all this normal? The shooters aren't entering the land for rodent control, the birds are bred in the woods for commercial purposes. The LL has the shooting rights but this is randoms who've paid to shoot in the woods, strutting all around the farm, guns out.

Do people who buy shooting syndicates off the LL for the adjacent woods have unlimited access to our entire farm as and when they please?

I'm all for give and take but not a fan of taking the pi55.

Any experience?
Is this AHA or FBT
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
TFA

Get some wire mesh baskets upturned on the crops and go back to the landlord for compensation for bird damage in spring. This can focus the mind.

And photos, lots of photos.

Your tenancy agreement may provide for your quiet enjoyment of the land. Shooting rights do not allow carte blanche to drive all over the place, merely to take game.
You are entitled to claim compensation from the tenant, but I think you need to escalate your concerns to your landlord as if he or she is not local they may not realise what a bunch of cowboys they are.
Perhaps you could take the shooting rights and run the shooting yourself?

Quite. 'Peaceable Enjoyment' is the term iirc.
 

Overby

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South West
Well surely you have got the upper hand to lay the law down and not have randoms traipsing over your crops and they park on the road or in the woodland thats not on your tenancy!
Does an AHA gives more protection than FBT?

I'm quite happy to help out and compromise with the LL but am now wondering if I can tell the arrogant fools who are strutting round with impunity to bore off (due to us having an AHA).

We're only halfway in so a long time AHA to go!
 

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