Single phase mig/stick welder

UlsterFarmer135

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Livestock Farmer
Hello all looking at getting a welder have done the course in mig welding and have done some stick and plan on doing the course in it to. Anyway was looking at getting a welder and was looking at a welder that does both. I'm running on 13amp plug but how much would it take to fit a 16amp?
Can anybody recommend a good welder to do both as I really wouldn't be doing enough at the minute to justify 2 machines. Forgot to mention would be looking for an inverter for handiness around a farm.
Thanks
 

dave mountain

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Livestock Farmer
DV is synergic, which is definitely an advantage imo, and it can run off 110 if you had to work on site (probably not much use to farmers). its also 50% heavier, so make of that what you will. (better quality components possibly?)
 

bravheart

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Location
scottish borders
Hello all looking at getting a welder have done the course in mig welding and have done some stick and plan on doing the course in it to. Anyway was looking at getting a welder and was looking at a welder that does both. I'm running on 13amp plug but how much would it take to fit a 16amp?
Can anybody recommend a good welder to do both as I really wouldn't be doing enough at the minute to justify 2 machines. Forgot to mention would be looking for an inverter for handiness around a farm.
Thanks
Things to think about

Longevity not really proven on inverter mig especially in a damp farm shed.
Transformer much heavier but could last a lifetime.
A lot of migs now have a handy stick output but if separate boxes and one breaks down you can still weld.
Inverter boxes not that heavy to move but adding a wire spool and cables hoses etc. makes it more awkward and you also need to get the gas bottle to the job so not quite so portable.
You can now get a stick box sub £100 that will almost fit through a letterbox and will weld/repair gates at the far end of the yard running on a 13a extension.
A 13a plug will probably run up to around 140a any more will need a 16a/32a socket and a sparky to install and check the box cables heavy enough to take the extra juice. Some chinese boxes were fitted with a heavy cable and a 13a plug but the fuse inside was of nail thickness (very farmerish).
There's a couple of welder sellers lurking on here that will give you expert professional advice instead of this drivel and perhaps a TFF discount.
All the best and remember you need to factor in PPE and gas into your budget.
 

dave mountain

Member
Livestock Farmer
Why is it that so many do welding without a fume extractors
same reasons any other health and safety protocol ever gets broken.
Things to think about

Longevity not really proven on inverter mig especially in a damp farm shed.
Transformer much heavier but could last a lifetime.
A lot of migs now have a handy stick output but if separate boxes and one breaks down you can still weld.
Inverter boxes not that heavy to move but adding a wire spool and cables hoses etc. makes it more awkward and you also need to get the gas bottle to the job so not quite so portable.
You can now get a stick box sub £100 that will almost fit through a letterbox and will weld/repair gates at the far end of the yard running on a 13a extension.
A 13a plug will probably run up to around 140a any more will need a 16a/32a socket and a sparky to install and check the box cables heavy enough to take the extra juice. Some chinese boxes were fitted with a heavy cable and a 13a plug but the fuse inside was of nail thickness (very farmerish).
There's a couple of welder sellers lurking on here that will give you expert professional advice instead of this drivel and perhaps a TFF discount.
All the best and remember you need to factor in PPE and gas into your budget.
whilst i prefer transformers for workshop machines, there is nothing wrong with good quality inverter welders. they are built to take a surprising amount of abuse nowadays. i would avoid a sub £100 welder like the plague. you can run 160-170a on 13a (i know you shouldnt be able to technically but ive never had a problem)
ford the portability, i would guess the op would be leaving the gas bottle in the workshop and just using the stick function when its moved around?
 

mobileweld

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Arable Farmer
Inverters are reasonably hardy nowadays. As mentioned in a another thread I had a thermal arc inverter and it was kept in the back of a van for 5 years and used a couple times a week normally.
 

bravheart

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Location
scottish borders
same reasons any other health and safety protocol ever gets broken.

whilst i prefer transformers for workshop machines, there is nothing wrong with good quality inverter welders. they are built to take a surprising amount of abuse nowadays. i would avoid a sub £100 welder like the plague. you can run 160-170a on 13a (i know you shouldnt be able to technically but ive never had a problem)
ford the portability, i would guess the op would be leaving the gas bottle in the workshop and just using the stick function when its moved around?
I would have stick inverter for around the yard, take up ladders etc. Leave anything more technical in/around the workshop.
Inverters are reasonably hardy nowadays. As mentioned in a another thread I had a thermal arc inverter and it was kept in the back of a van for 5 years and used a couple times a week normally.
Normally I would agree with the above but I bought a sub £100 stick specifically for the top of ladders etc. and won’t cry (much) if it ends up falling in the slurry and so far so good pretty impressed with it really.
 

dave mountain

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Livestock Farmer
ive got to ask, why on earth would you be taking welding sets up ladders? why wouldnt you just by some dinse extension cables instead? ive run stick off a genset with 60m each of electrode cable in the past, obviously the longer the run the larger diameter cable you need but it works fine and surely better than carrying a welding set up a ladder?
 
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TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
ive got to ask, why on earth would you be taking welding sets up ladders? why wouldnt you just by some dinse extension cables instead? ive run stick off a genset with 60m each of electrode cable in the past, obviously the longer the run the larger diameter cable you need but it works fine and surely better than carrying a welding set up a ladder?
The drag weight of the cable can be heavier than a decent inverter & if you need to tweak the current it's a bit of a ballache having to clamber down the ladder.
 

dave mountain

Member
Livestock Farmer
If you are going up a 100ft ladder with 70mm2 cables then maybe, but you shouldn't be doing that anyway. And probably not by the time you account for the weight of the power lead dangling off the bottom of the machine. I know which I'd rather drop on the floor out of a welding set and a cable. 35mm2 cables weigh next to nothing and would be more than enough for any farmer size welding sets even on long runs.
 

casemx 270

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Location
East midlands
I ve got a Parweld 145 amp inverter welder for personal use but I have used it a bit for repairing a sprayer boom get a good make of welding rods and play around with the settings before doing anything serious .It seems to be a good welder and on 13 amp for a £140 .
 

towbar

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Location
Louth, Ireland
Like many said I’d have 2 separate welders. Mig not portable really and stays in workshop with bottle attached. Inverter for anything that needs to be done away from workshop or even quick jobs in shed to save setting up gas etc
 

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