Spectam Scour hault what we going to do....

[Treacle Sponge]

How do you go about giving the yoghurt. Might give it a try

I use a Nettex squeeze colostrum feeder and a fill it half full of Yeo Valley plain full fat yoghurt which has been diluted with enough warm water to get it through the tube. You can add a bit of rehydration too. Pen Strep jab. Another dose when they've had a massive yellow poo and then rehydration. If they're not sucking then milk or colostrum mixed with yoghurt until they look perky again. If you catch it early, one dose and a jab is an instant cure. It's been a game changer for us in the thick of lambing.

 

[aangus]

1ml of alamycin la down the throat as soon as there born

 

[puppet]

Giving an antibiotic to every lamb is just going to end in disaster with multiple resistance to Alamycin on your farm with no alternatives. Short term pain and all that. There are no bacteria in the gut at birth, just ingested with first sucking. The gut stops working because of the toxins released by the e coli which then causes sepsis. Once that happens getting the gut moving will be no help Fluid and antibiotics may head it off if recognised early enough but my experience is not great.
Straw, cleaning teats, cutting dirty wool off and ensuring early colostrum the key.
And lambing outside as much as possible

 

[copse]

 

[copse]

Has anyone tried these? Have no idea if they work or not.

 

[primmiemoo]

Has anyone tried these? Have no idea if they work or not.

Wondering what's in the pills? Er, not pills, but micro boluses ...

 

[ollie989898]

I can see other drugs going the same way as they are just too widely miss-used. Oxytetramycin spray, makes me wince just to see the stuff on farms. People's hands covered in the stuff, it being applied all and sundry. Cows feet- spray it. Sheeps feet- spray it. Without cleaning the whole thing off first you're just asking for it to fail.

 

[ollie989898]

1ml of alamycin la down the throat as soon as there born

Are we talking prophylactic use on every animal here or what?

 

[aangus]

Are we talking prophylactic use on every animal here or what?

Yes

 

[ollie989898]

Yes

Not really a long term solution then, is it? Do you want your customers knowing you are routinely dosing every lamb with antibiotics?

 

[aangus]

Not really a long term solution then, is it? Do you want your customers knowing you are routinely dosing every lamb with antibiotics?

Do you know if it gets lambs out to the field without suffering from water mouth, then so be it.

 

[ollie989898]

Do you know if it gets lambs out to the field without suffering from water mouth, then so be it.

I'm not sure using antibiotics in this way is ideal from a public relations point of view...

 

[Ceri]

I’ve always found that works better than Spectam as a treatment anyway. Spectam only really handy to pre-empt lambs that are particularly at risk through poor colostrum intake (& too late to remedy that after 6 hours tbh).

You've used betamox down the throat @neilo ?

 

[aangus]

I'm not sure using antibiotics in this way is ideal from a public relations point of view...

Do you lamb many inside?

 

[neilo]

You've used betamox down the throat @neilo ?

As a treatment for watery mouth, yes. 1ml down the throat and 1ml injected. Lucky to save them once they are badly infected though, whatever you do IME.

We never seem to see many thankfully, just one or two a year that slip the net and don't get enough colostrum I suppose.

 

[Ceri]

Do you know if it gets lambs out to the field without suffering from water mouth, then so be it.

And this is why spectam was pulled & with that attitude, slowly everything else will in the end to ...... Do u have kids? If so think of them as it's going to be bloody hard work for them in the future when an outbreak of something comes & they have little or nothing to use against it.....

 

[Dachie]

So as your probably all aware they've stopped making spectam. We used it only as a TREATMENT for watery mouth as & when needed. I'm slightly worried what we're going to use instead when we have the odd lamb with wet mouth.. yes we make sure they all have colostrum, lime & clean the lambing pens ets etc so please no messages about all the preventative stuff as we've got that pretty much covered.... What are folks going to do with lambs with watery mouth......??

Have gave all our lambs 5ml liquid parafine at birth for decades and rarely have a case of watery mouth. Buy a bottle of spectam at the begining of every lambing incase the odd one still gets watery mouth but have most of a bottle left at the end of lambing unused so it is disposed of and the bottle is filled with liquid parafin for next year.

 

[David.]

I'm not entirely sold on wet mouth always being self inflicted due to insufficient colostrum.
It is definitely the big contributory factor, but I have had occasional lambs with it that have been cathetered at birth and again later. Some lambs are just born wanky it seems.

 

[puppet]

I'm not entirely sold on wet mouth always being self inflicted due to insufficient colostrum.
It is definitely the big contributory factor, but I have had occasional lambs with it that have been cathetered at birth and again later. Some lambs are just born wanky it seems.

You may have pushed some e coli down with your tube.
The Monoshield tablets are 2 enzymes which help to protect the gut membranes. Suspect the evidence is not strong for effectiveness.
Both enzymes are found in milk
Therefore colostrum is important