Spring wheat seeded in September?

[warksfarmer]

Bare with me ......... we’ve some extremely bad header losses in spring wheat due to half the plants brackled over. Vario is fully out, reel up, slow forward speed, header on the deck etc. We can’t do anything about it.

If we very lightly disced the stubble with the view of getting a ‘wheat‘ chit asap from the heads and then followed it up with drilling some winter wheat seed would the spring wheat germinate and survive?

I’m just trying to make something good out of a bad situation if that makes sense. I think we’ve potentially got 25% of the heads on the deck which isn’t ideal. We don’t have a draper type header and need to keep cutting as there’s still plenty to do.

 

[Spencer]

For a badly brackled downed crop I wouldn’t have Vario fully out and reel up...?

For me, Vario fully retracted, reel full out and down doing what it’s supposed to do, they’re called pick up reels for a reason. It wants to be lifting the crop up onto the knife, gently raking/combing the soil. 25% loss is HUGE.., granted sometimes you just can’t get the heads, they simply get snipped off and drop.!

 

[warksfarmer]

For a badly brackled downed crop I wouldn’t have Vario fully out and reel up...?

For me, Vario fully retracted, reel full out and down doing what it’s supposed to do, they’re called pick up reels for a reason. It wants to be lifting the crop up onto the knife, gently raking/combing the soil. 25% loss is HUGE.., granted sometimes you just can’t get the heads, they simply get snipped off and drop.!

The reels knocking them off as it’s so brittle. Vario in and it’s worse as well. We’ve got the best settings and are saving some. It’s was more like 40% to start with.

 

[Spencer]

The reels knocking them off as it’s so brittle. Vario in and it’s worse as well. We’ve got the best settings and are saving some. It’s was more like 40% to start with.

Bugger...

 

[Fuzzy]

The reels knocking them off as it’s so brittle. Vario in and it’s worse as well. We’ve got the best settings and are saving some. It’s was more like 40% to start with.

Sometimes cutting at 90degrees to direction of drilling or brackling helps... I had this in barley last year and it helped a lot.

By the sounds of it you could have 1/2 tonne an acre on the ground ?? I would disc and roll and see what you have in the spring, maybe just leave it to harvest !!

 

[Clive]

Think it difference is just frost tolerance ? Dunno really, maybe call the breader ?

 

[Against_the_grain]

If you follow SW with WW we quite often see volunteer SW in WW in May around here. Looks scruffy but wont affect yield or quality ime

 

[Grass And Grain]

I would think say 0.5t of seed to the acre is too much. Will smother out the winter wheat, or if it survives the winter will all lay flat.
I would cultivate lightly to chit it and then spray off. Plenty of time to do that.

 

[Lincsman]

Spring wheat volunteers pollinated my Moulin many years ago, making it a 3t/ac crop, instead of next to nothing.

 

[warksfarmer]

I would think say 0.5t of seed to the acre is too much. Will smother out the winter wheat, or if it survives the winter will all lay flat.
I would cultivate lightly to chit it and then spray off. Plenty of time to do that.

Yes but the seed is still in the heads so we need to split them open in order to get it to some soil. If there’s 0.5t on the floor probably half of that would germinate by disconfirm because we won’t release them all.

 

[chickens and wheat]

We drilled mulika late sept in same feild as winter wheat, grew pretty much the same as winter but a lot taller, so your added W. Wheat would struggle

So. Either top up with spring wheat or dont bother, personally Id round up the lot

 

[warksfarmer]

We drilled mulika late sept in same feild as winter wheat, grew pretty much the same as winter but a lot taller, so your added W. Wheat would struggle

So. Either top up with spring wheat or dont bother, personally Id round up the lot

So I’m now thinking lightly disc and press and then follow up straight away with spring wheat seed via the drill and hope for the best. It’ll be seed off the heap so cheap. If it’s no good in Feb we’ll spray it off and reseed.

 

[Alwayshappy]

Same problem here, loads of ears on floor, I’m draw raking what I cut yesterday doing a good job, will leave to green up and spray off just before drilling in a months time, should have all germinated by then as long as we have some rain in the next month [emoji16]

 

[db9go]

So I’m now thinking lightly disc and press and then follow up straight away with spring wheat seed via the drill and hope for the best. It’ll be seed off the heap so cheap. If it’s no good in Feb we’ll spray it off and reseed.

If its Mulika i would lightly disc and press but not just yet leave as late as possible and then do it.
It takes the frost ok we drill Mulika from the about the 18th of October have done for a number of years this last year we did over drilled some of it in the spring
depends on the year you may have to use some extra G R

 

[neilo]

Do you need to declare/pay royalties on a crop grown/seed sown via heads falling off?
I think I can guess the official answer.

 

[Cowcorn]

Bare with me ......... we’ve some extremely bad header losses in spring wheat due to half the plants brackled over. Vario is fully out, reel up, slow forward speed, header on the deck etc. We can’t do anything about it.

If we very lightly disced the stubble with the view of getting a ‘wheat‘ chit asap from the heads and then followed it up with drilling some winter wheat seed would the spring wheat germinate and survive?

I’m just trying to make something good out of a bad situation if that makes sense. I think we’ve potentially got 25% of the heads on the deck which isn’t ideal. We don’t have a draper type header and need to keep cutting as there’s still plenty to do.

Strange , that Spring wheat usually is fairly good at standing up to adverse weather .
The condition of the crop you are cutting soundsl pretty badly fuccked akin to a salvage job on a windy day in November . I cut Spring wheat in November in 17 and quite a lot of grain had shed which produced a great crop of volunteers which i sprayed off. Bad mistake the replacement crop of Spring barley got cooked in the drought My advice is go ahead and give it a shot but be prepared to up your fungicide spend next spring . Mind you might i respectfully suggest that a another tenner an acre spend this year might have preserved the straw quality and the combine could have put the grain in the tank not left on the ground ....... right ill get my coat ....

 

[warksfarmer]

Strange , that Spring wheat usually is fairly good at standing up to adverse weather .
The condition of the crop you are cutting soundsl pretty badly fuccked akin to a salvage job on a windy day in November . I cut Spring wheat in November in 17 and quite a lot of grain had shed which produced a great crop of volunteers which i sprayed off. Bad mistake the replacement crop of Spring barley got cooked in the drought My advice is go ahead and give it a shot but be prepared to up your fungicide spend next spring . Mind you might i respectfully suggest that a another tenner an acre spend this year might have preserved the straw quality and the combine could have put the grain in the tank not left on the ground ....... right ill get my coat ....

It had GR. the issue is we’ve two spring wheat crops in the same fields. 1st growth which was ready to cut 3-4 weeks ago and secondary growth ready now. The first growth is what’s bent over.

 

[Cowcorn]

It had GR. the issue is we’ve two spring wheat crops in the same fields. 1st growth which was ready to cut 3-4 weeks ago and secondary growth ready now. The first growth is what’s bent over.

I know exactly what youre talking about my own 20 acres is the same . The Agronomist convinced me to use a high rate of the new Revey whatever its called at earing to cover the " two " crops through till harvest . Finally got in the gate this evening and cut a headland thats in spring barley when the fanbels went . I get a photo of the wheat tomorrow if i remember to bring the tablet . The crop is sprayed a fortnight and still standing and in good enough order .

 

[db9go]

It had GR. the issue is we’ve two spring wheat crops in the same fields. 1st growth which was ready to cut 3-4 weeks ago and secondary growth ready now. The first growth is what’s bent over.

That is what we had and we cut with a lot of green and dry it with our fridge dryer
We had a small patch that i topped of with the flail topper first week of June and yet by the first week of August it had regrown with full head

 

[Billboy1]

Plough it down