The end for trailed foragers?

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
So in layman terms why do Same's pull so well?

They are quite tightly governed, but in absolute terms and relative to their power, they are nothing special. Many a time have I stalled my Titan 160 stone dead from full throttle, full power, on both Pottinger and Mengele foragers when a big lump was ingested or similar sudden overload. I've never managed that with the Powerstar or Sisu which have a higher specific maximum torque and much higher torque reserve, able to overcome those overloads.

In general work there's nothing wrong with the Same and its done me sterling service and continues to do so. It did blow a manifold gasket on Friday though and all will now need to be changed plus most of the studs I guess.
It smokes a lot more now than it used to when opened out and, I guess, like most of the 1000 series air cooled engines, the governor spring might well have weakened over time, allowing more fuel to be injected and hence an increase in power from when it was last dyno-tested.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
What do you call simple horsepower? They have a million gears and electronic components galore, every bit as much as any mainstream tractor.

More so. Most models since the Explorer and Laser series have had electronic governors and some kind of electronic semi-powershift. In the case of my 1993 Titan, it has three engine speed memories with touchpad control, a nine speed plus three ranges electronic powershift transmission and Bosch electronic linkage control including radar slip control. PTO is electrically activated as well.

It grips reasonably well in the field, but there's nothing magic about it. Mine does tend to bounce on the road, but not as badly with the current Michelin tyres as it did when fitted with Pirelli. Only at near top road speed though.
 

Martin Holden

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Trade
Location
Cheltenham
It probably helps that it is a very important industry for the NZ economy and that there is one co-op allowed to buy and market all the milk, as far as I can see.

Contrast that with the UK where farmer milk groups were broken up and where only the supermarket lowest price is important, along with job-creating regulations for the 'standards' industry that live off business's back.

True! Memories of the MMB!
 

Wellytrack

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tr250

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Location
Northants
We bought a jf 1260 last year and I know Russell’s sold at least another 2 the same year. We’re very pleased with it. We did get a quote for a waggon but the wagon was nearly double the price of an ex demo forager. The reasons we ended up with a forager are
We feed tmr to sheep as well as cattle so wanted shorter chop.
We only have a mower with merger so pick 20ft swaths so grass lays same way as a wagons blades we’d need to buy a rake.
we like to rotate silage grass around our farm for blackgrass control the furthest fields would take forever with a wagon.
we have arable so need grain trailers any way.
we have enough tractors and only need one self employed driver to make the team up.
The downside for me is having to put silage tops on in a hurry after harvest to do 3rd cut.
I can see them becoming a bit more popular again maybe as plastic becomes dearer for bales and self propelled becomes increasingly expensive to buy and run.
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bigg6480

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Leics
We bought a jf 1260 last year and I know Russell’s sold at least another 2 the same year. We’re very pleased with it. We did get a quote for a waggon but the wagon was nearly double the price of an ex demo forager. The reasons we ended up with a forager are
We feed tmr to sheep as well as cattle so wanted shorter chop.
We only have a mower with merger so pick 20ft swaths so grass lays same way as a wagons blades we’d need to buy a rake.
we like to rotate silage grass around our farm for blackgrass control the furthest fields would take forever with a wagon.
we have arable so need grain trailers any way.
we have enough tractors and only need one self employed driver to make the team up.
The downside for me is having to put silage tops on in a hurry after harvest to do 3rd cut.
I can see them becoming a bit more popular again maybe as plastic becomes dearer for bales and self propelled becomes increasingly expensive to buy and run.
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That’s interesting been trying to find one to go and have a look at running. There’s not any 1260s around us. Thinking are 1060 will do another year but we need to start looking. What tractor are you using on it?
 

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