Tony Blair is a demonstrable ****

[7610 super q]

Oh dear! The headline and original post on this thread, take some beating. Apart from the unnecessary profanity on the headline, the abject failure to read, absorb and understand Blair’s proposal, is utterly manifest. Then sadly, like lambs to the slaughter, along come a string of posters to agree just for the sake of agreeing.

I’m not qualified to judge the technicalities of one vs two jabs of this particular vaccine, apart from accepting that full function requires two jabs. That said, my instinct would be to have experts in this field, comment and give the people better understanding of the pros vs the cons!
And yes, Mr. Blair is a very clever msn, and no doubt took a lot of advice before putting his name to this idea. I’m pretty sure it has merit, and will draw further expert opinion over the coming days and weeks.

I got's to ask, which do you prefer The Dubliners, or The Pogues ?

 

[Mek]

Obviously some idiots will support TB, maybe because they - like him - know better than the everyone else, maybe just to stir up trouble.

And obviously some will not support him,maybe because they don’t like him and think they know better than everyone else, maybe just to stir up trouble

 

[Bury the Trash]

I got's to ask, which do you prefer The Dubliners, or The Pogues ?

what do you mean ? ... he actually is Shane MacGowan

 

[Ashtree]

I got's to ask, which do you prefer The Dubliners, or The Pogues ?

Ah, there we go! You’ve put me in the mood for a right skip of beer now. One will definitely not be enough, nor two for that matter ...... or the tenth either....

 

[Werzle]

I cannot stand blair but if cattle are anything to go by there are alot of cattle that get vaccines once and/or 3/4 of a double dose which see's them through. I can just about see the idea of helping more people by giving them the one dose but i wouldnt want to be the person who gave it the ok ,if people started dying.

 

[neilo]

For the record, and before our resident slippery lawyer tries to claim I'm Blair's biggest fan, I can't stand the man or the populist cr*p he stands for. BUT I'm enjoying all the indignant farmers decrying Blair's idea (if it's even true) of giving only one jab.

I'm off to the Livestock & Forage threads, where we will again discuss how many people only give their lambs only one dose of Heptavac P as it seems to work just as well...

 

[Exfarmer]

One jab does nothing other than excite the immune system in preparation , even the average person knows that.
He's talking out of his anus, to put it mildly, down right dangerous talk the ignorant twant.

Actually many vaccines only require one to give probably 80% cover longer term follow ups bring the immunity up to the top.
we do not know the full science , here it is too soon, but it possibly would be a very good way of bring the disease down very rapidly. If we Had 25 % of the population who were reasonably immune it would drip the R rate dramatically and allow for the other vaccines to come into play.
It could be that it would that one jab of this and another jab of one of the other vaccines also would give equal cover to the 95% pfizer claim
When we go back for boosters of jabs it would common to have a completely different type.
We just don’t know and to use such profane langauge only reveals the mind of the OP and i think as i posted before, lowers him in my estimation.

 

[Muck Spreader]

You are as much of a bull sh.itter as he is.
Please do some learning about vaccines before you post stuff like that

I am fairly certain I know considerably more about this than you do. But feel free to give your opinion.

 

[lloyd]

If it's anything like injecting lambs against pasteurellosis
or injecting a puppy against leptospirosis one dose is a waste of time
and results in multiple needless deaths.

 

[Muck Spreader]

One jab does nothing other than excite the immune system in preparation , even the average person knows that.
He's talking out of his anus, to put it mildly, down right dangerous talk the ignorant twant.

This incorrect, as it depends on the disease you are attempting to prevent or minimise the symptoms of. A single dose vaccine is the ideal, but some may have to be administered over time and multiple doses. The reason they are administered more than once are multifactorial, relating to the development of the immune system, toxicity of the product, the persistency of the antibodies produced etc. The ideal vaccine for Covid-19 would would be a single oral dose of which there are 3 that I know about under trial atm but if successful they would be unlikely to be available before the end of 2021.

 

[jendan]

It's potentially a good idea, although not actually Blair's. Apart from doubling the number of recipients, one jag will massively simplify the logistics of administering what is a very fragile vaccine, whilst giving 91% protection rate against 95% for two jags. What we don't know yet, is if only one jag is administered, does it drastically shorten its viability compared to 2 jags which the trail work is based upon.

Thats what i read.It brings the efficacy down 5% or so,but you would gain by vaccinating twice as many people.Seems common sense in an emergency such as this. I think the O P still cant get over the fact that Blair,who he considered a poor lawyer, won 3 elections outright,only equalled by Thatcher.

 

[Bury the Trash]

This incorrect, as it depends on the disease you are attempting to prevent or minimise the symptoms of. A single dose vaccine is the ideal, but some may have to be administered over time and multiple doses. The reason they are administered more than once are multifactorial, relating to the development of the immune system, toxicity of the product, the persistency of the antibodies produced etc. The ideal vaccine for Covid-19 would would be a single oral dose of which there are 3 that I know about under trial atm but if successful they would be unlikely to be available before the end of 2021.

It's more to do with how the immune system works ( that is the known for sure bit ) rather than the disease.

It's clear that 2 jabs will give the best cover , best chance.
It's not good to be suggesting to people ,especially as the vaccine gets to be given to the younger and younger , as quite possibly it will ' influence' some of them to not go back for the second one .

 

[Gong Farmer]

If you had a wife like his, wouldn't you be looking for any controversial distraction you could find?

 

[Danllan]

I agree with the general remarks about TB but I’m sure he’s been advised by people a lot more qualified than members of a farming forum.

Have a think about that, more qualified than the people who created the vaccine, really...?

And, anyway, if past evidence is relied upon, the advisors TB has had have not been of the best.

And obviously some will not support him,maybe because they don’t like him and think they know better than everyone else, maybe just to stir up trouble

No, not in this case, the man is and has a track record as a dangerous liability, see above.

 

[lloyd]

Absolute moron of a bloke. Why does anyone still listen to the tool?!

Oh come on Danllan's not that bad he's just been left fighting
a lost cause with Mark Francois now that a deal is imminent .

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Well I can't stand Blair with a passion but it's not his idea . He has only picked the subject up .
I can see why it has been said to basically do 1000 once or 500 twice if it is a fact that the first jab is 94% effective .the sticking point for me is how accurate is the 94% claim ?

 

[betweenthelines]

If he broke both his legs would he be happy to just have one put in plaster?

Or would he want what the Doctors would recommend?

 

[Mek]

Have a think about that, more qualified than the people who created the vaccine, really...?

Is that what you really think ? I’ve never suggested it and TB certainly didn’t come up with it.

 

[Danllan]

Is that what you really think ? I’ve never suggested it and TB certainly didn’t come up with it.

No better come-back?

 

[essexpete]

My initial reaction was like many. What is that slippery, warmongering, religious, self serving twaat interjecting and spouting for? (did i cover it?). Then after cooling down somewhat, with a second thoughts, I am thinking he did not come up with that off his own bat. Someone, and with luck appropriate scientific knowledge, has used TB as a mouth piece. Obviously current govt probably not going upturn their plans (although they seem to have mastered the U turn ) and the current opposition seem fairly ineffectual bleaters. Blair may have vocalised a point when he implied that get the vaccine out to more numbers and top up second dose when more vaccine on stream. I Have no idea whether or not this would work but shirley all avenues must be explored?