Too late for winter oats?

[ploughman1963]

We have a customer where we are still waiting for the ground to dry up enough to get winter oats drilled. It is in grass at the moment and when we get 3-4 dry days in a row we will be able to follow the plough with the combi-drill - just not had 3-4 dry days in a row lately . Plan was to sow Mascani winter oats for combining/crimping.

Is it too late for winter oats? I seem to remember reading that winter oats dont need vernalisation and so could be sown - but spring varieties sown in February might outperform winter oats planted in January?

Thoughts appreciated.

 

[JD6920s]

We have a customer where we are still waiting for the ground to dry up enough to get winter oats drilled. It is in grass at the moment and when we get 3-4 dry days in a row we will be able to follow the plough with the combi-drill - just not had 3-4 dry days in a row lately . Plan was to sow Mascani winter oats for combining/crimping.

Is it too late for winter oats? I seem to remember reading that winter oats dont need vernalisation and so could be sown - but spring varieties sown in February might outperform winter oats planted in January?

Thoughts appreciated.

I’m sure I’ve heard they (Mascani) will be ok till feb, more so than other varieties, but obviously check with someone who knows for sure.

Latest drilling date for Mascani oats

mine are still in the shed. Seed bed dry and cloddy. Should I really put them in. First time oat grower. Give me some pointers please.

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[redsloe]

Drilled Southwark (spelling?) End of March a couple times did fine.

 

[goodevans]

I know a couple of farmers around here who deliberately plant them in the spring so not to far from you

 

[Sprog]

We have a customer where we are still waiting for the ground to dry up enough to get winter oats drilled. It is in grass at the moment and when we get 3-4 dry days in a row we will be able to follow the plough with the combi-drill - just not had 3-4 dry days in a row lately . Plan was to sow Mascani winter oats for combining/crimping.

Is it too late for winter oats? I seem to remember reading that winter oats dont need vernalisation and so could be sown - but spring varieties sown in February might outperform winter oats planted in January?

Thoughts appreciated.

All oats are spring oats and don’t need vernalisation it’s just that some are much more winter hardy and can be grown as “winter” oats. I have grown Mascani in the spring several times just don’t be tempted to use the same seed rate as normal spring oat varieties which grow quickly with very little tillering. Mascani will sit and tiller so a seed rate of 40-50kg/acre depending on TGW will be plenty. Do not put much nitrogen on until the second node starts to split from the first or you will end up with too much biomass and it will go flat!

 

[john63]

Drilled some Mascani last year in Feb (normally drill in Nov). Conditions were good or so I thought, but they only grew about knee high and were pretty thin, despite using a good seed rate (200kg/ha or so).

 

[czechmate]

is thé off label approval for half rate Liberator valid/safe for spring sowing, or is it just for autumn ?

 

[czechmate]

Drilled some Mascani last year in Feb (normally drill in Nov). Conditions were good or so I thought, but they only grew about knee high and were pretty thin, despite using a good seed rate (200kg/ha or so).

knee high for oats sounds a good result for oats to me - well, better than chest high… just before they go totally flat

 

[Hilly]

Ive a arable farming mate who told me he sowed winter wheat in march and had the best crop ever so id guess you would be ok .

 

[An Gof]

is thé off label approval for half rate Liberator valid/safe for spring sowing, or is it just for autumn ?

There is no longer an EAMU for Liberator on Oats. Oats not classified as a minor crop.

 

[czechmate]

There is no longer an EAMU for Liberator on Oats. Oats not classified as a minor crop.

ah ha.
« Was », it for spring or only autumn sown?

 

[David.]

Effectively nothing in the toolbox for grasslands.

 

[Watsonius]

We have a customer where we are still waiting for the ground to dry up enough to get winter oats drilled. It is in grass at the moment and when we get 3-4 dry days in a row we will be able to follow the plough with the combi-drill - just not had 3-4 dry days in a row lately . Plan was to sow Mascani winter oats for combining/crimping.

Is it too late for winter oats? I seem to remember reading that winter oats dont need vernalisation and so could be sown - but spring varieties sown in February might outperform winter oats planted in January?

Thoughts appreciated.

Apparently there is not such thing as a true winter oat, just winter hardy spring oats. So should be ok to plant in the spring as no vernalisation required. I know some one who has done it and everything was fine, just they were later to harvest.

 

[Poacher]

As Watsonian suggests, winter oats can be sown late and will produce a crop. Its a horse’s for courses scenario but with serious spring seed availability issues it maybe that sowing winter oats is your only option if spring seed runs out.

I also remember a few years ago where there was serious spring seed supply issues and a lot of growers drilled late sown Winter Oats e.g. Jan / Feb. At harvest, a major end user of oats was noticing major variations in the parcels going through their mills, an issue they hadn’t experienced before. It was a major issue in the de hulling process and was causing problems for them. It was finally determined that the issue was with parcels from late sown winter oats where the crop had a reduced growing season and the plant physiology hadn’t been able to go through its normal life cycle resulting in the grain characteristics despite being under 15% moisture, were not as they would have been had they had several more weeks of in the field growth.