Welsh Assembly Senedd hits Tourism hard

[Still Farming]

As I acknowledged, I’m not an expert on the planning regs of Wales. There will be good and bad, I’m sure you’re one of the good ones. I just know that unfettered proliferation of holiday lets has been a disaster for this area and many others and without question exacerbates the housing affordability problem for younger generations.

Currently there is very little/no control over what is and isn’t a holiday home and personally I think having some grip on it would be no bad thing.

Genuine question - what do you think would help alleviate the issues?

There is currently control over what is and what isn't a legal holiday accommodation premises, just check with the Valuation Office Agency listings or your Council's business rates registry .

If planning restrictions were lifted then it could open up longer let's and fulfill or help affordable housing criteria shortfalls also possibly.

The various businesses run from homes and domestic b&b , accommodation airb&b etc etc run and operated under HMRC ,Valuation Office Agency and Local Council rates departments Nose are the one's that need chasing and charging as cause and detrimental to all you state.

 

[7610 super q]

And another thing.........there's a sweet spot IMO, renting out 6 months over the summer at high rents, no heating costs = nice little earner. Faffing about renting in the dead of winter for low rents and high heating costs = waste of time. Another source of income fudged up by lefties. Renting out property full time has also been scuppered by new rules and regs in favour of tenants.

I'm not joking about the bulldozer. If it weren't part of the farm complex, I'd sell it off and let some other mug try and make a living out of it.

 

[Still Farming]

And another thing.........there's a sweet spot IMO, renting out 6 months over the summer at high rents, no heating costs = nice little earner. Faffing about renting in the dead of winter for low rents and high heating costs = waste of time. Another source of income fudged up by lefties. Renting out property full time has also been scuppered by new rules and regs in favour of tenants.

I'm not joking about the bulldozer. If it weren't part of the farm complex, I'd sell it off and let some other mug try and make a living out of it.

Also with electric at an all time high ,they usually leave all lights, heating etc all on, flat out, windows wide open , bring all their washing with them to do and costs more than you earn out of them?
Use and abuse lot out there too.

 

[7610 super q]

Also with electric at an all time high ,they usually leave all lights, heating etc all on, flat out, windows wide open , bring all their washing with them to do and costs more than you earn out of them?
Use and abuse lot out there too.

And the more bookings........the more wear and tear. Like I said, there's a sweet spot. But Drakeford and chums wouldn't have a clue about that.

 

[toquark]

There is currently control over what is and what isn't a legal holiday accommodation premises, just check with the Valuation Office Agency listings or your Council's business rates registry

Well, there’s a record. As far as I know they don’t impose limits. Or not here they don’t anyway.

If planning restrictions were lifted then it could open up longer let's and fulfill or help affordable housing criteria shortfalls also possibly.

Agreed. Fairly sure that barn conversions aren’t under the same restrictions here. There’s a presumption in favour of development of redundant farm buildings.

The various businesses run from homes and domestic b&b , accommodation airb&b etc etc run and operated under HMRC ,Valuation Office Agency and Local Council rates departments Nose are the one's that need chasing and charging as cause and detrimental to all you state.

Agreed. It would be easily done too. If you want to run an Airbnb fine, but you need to apply for change of use from resi to commercial because that’s what it is. Airbnb was originally set up for people renting out a spare room for weekends etc, not for people running holiday let portfolios. Government are left chasing the tech as usual.

 

[Still Farming]

And w

Well, there’s a record. As far as I know they don’t impose limits. Or not here they don’t anyway.

Agreed. Fairly sure that barn conversions aren’t under the same restrictions here. There’s a presumption in favour of development of redundant farm buildings.

Agreed. It would be easily done too. If you want to run an Airbnb fine, but you need to apply for change of use from resi to commercial because that’s what it is. Airbnb was originally set up for people renting out a spare room for weekends etc, not for people running holiday let portfolios. Government are left chasing the tech as usual.

What's your Location then?

 

[Still Farming]

Bang on que as on topic ,received today VOA requests for annual business information.
Handy 8 page booklet, Welsh version also.
Time limits and proposed fines as usual.

DEVOLVED POWERS CAN SET TAXES as title of this thread and recent NEW statement by the Senedd on holiday businesses, YET National Government collect information and apply taxes???

WTF is going on?????

 

[toquark]

And w

What's your Location then?

Scotland.

Anyway reading the local rag this afternoon it looks like numbers are down about 30% on last year as the hoardes head back to Benidorm so this conversation’s probably already moot

 

[7610 super q]

Scotland.

Anyway reading the local rag this afternoon it looks like numbers are down about 30% on last year as the hoardes head back to Benidorm so this conversation’s probably already moot

Which makes filling properties for more than 180 days even harder.........

 

[Still Farming]

Scotland.

Anyway reading the local rag this afternoon it looks like numbers are down about 30% on last year as the hoardes head back to Benidorm so this conversation’s probably already moot

Jockland different again

 

[BrianV]

Reading the document, it's fair to say that the principle has merit; but where it falls is in the huge rise in requirement for days let. Presumably the idea is that the letting rate will have to be lowered, but on what basis? If the rate is lowered within the bounds of a reasonable holiday charge, there will less profit to the business, while the letting rate will still be too high for and local people hoping to rent long-term.

Typical government thinking, how do you ever police such a plan, surely any holiday home owner will make sure it's let for the desired amount of time even if it's with ghostly guests.

 

[Still Farming]

Typical government thinking, how do you ever police such a plan, surely any holiday home owner will make sure it's let for the desired amount of time even if it's with ghostly guests.

Sadly not possible.

 

[BrianV]

Sadly not possible.

Why?

 

[Still Farming]

Why?

Schedule 9 local Government Finance Act 1988.

 

[BrianV]

Isn't the rise in the number of air b&b's simply a consequence of government legislation regarding tenants rights, the beauty of holiday lets is you know the devils will be leaving at the end of the week, you only need one bad tenant who doesn't pay, wrecks the place & it takes months & expense before the bugger walks away scot free to do the same to the next landlord for you to say to hell with that!
Tenants should have the same responsibilities as landlords, as usual government blundering has only made renting out properties far worse, you need a decent rent to cover the cost of bad tenants!

 

[BrianV]

Schedule 9 local Government Finance Act 1988.

Ways & means solve many a problem I've found

 

[Still Farming]

Ways & means solve many a problem I've found

That's why the Country is in the state it is, possibly?

 

[BrianV]

That's why the Country is in the state it is, possibly?

You mean to say if you were one week short of the ruling you wouldn't invite family members in for a cheap weekend, pull the other one!
Governments try to solve a problem by creating an even bigger one, tighten up the rules on tenants responsibilities & don't allow them to stay in a property without paying rent & then simply walk away scot free, then far more air b&b would revert back to tenants!

 

[Still Farming]

You mean to say if you were one week short of the ruling you wouldn't invite family members in for a cheap weekend, pull the other one!
Governments try to solve a problem by creating an even bigger one, tighten up the rules on tenants responsibilities & don't allow them to stay in a property without paying rent & then simply walk away scot free, then far more air b&b would revert back to tenants!

Don't think you follow?
There are genuine businesses and others that cash in on tourism as b&b and rent a room domestic premises that all have a cumulative effect on occupancy rates.

As stated time and time again the only way to solve it is leg work and inspections possibly?

 

[Still Farming]

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