What is the future for Northern Ireland

[M-J-G]

The votes should have been collected and counted in one location for the whole UK, so no-one would have known how any particular region voted.

What difference would that make?
The seme could be said for any voting stastics.
The result would still have been the same, and people would just make stats up for particular regions if they weren't revealed, at least when regions are counted you are dealing with facts.

 

[yin ewe]

What difference would that make?
The seme could be said for any voting stastics.
The result would still have been the same, and people would just make stats up for particular regions if they weren't revealed, at least when regions are counted you are dealing with facts.

It was a uk wide referendum, so how any area voted should have been irrelevant. Those that disagreed with the result, particularly in NI and Scotland, were able to disrupt negotiations, using the fact that their nations voted to remain.
Sure it's all water under the bridge now.

 

[Wellytrack]

It was a uk wide referendum, so how any area voted should have been irrelevant. Those that disagreed with the result, particularly in NI and Scotland, were able to disrupt negotiations, using the fact that their nations voted to remain.
Sure it's all water under the bridge now.

I would disagree, purely on the opinion that information is power and ignorance is not bliss. Just because some data has been made knowledge is not dangerous in itself, how that’s interpreted and implemented is another thing.

There could be a border poll held today that would indicate in all likelihood that N.I would chose to remain within the UK.
However broken down into Counties, Tyrone Fermanagh and Probably Armagh would have a majority leave vote, but still make no difference to the end result.

 

[yin ewe]

I would disagree, purely on the opinion that information is power and ignorance is not bliss. Just because some data has been made knowledge is not dangerous in itself, how that’s interpreted and implemented is another thing.

There could be a border poll held today that would indicate in all likelihood that N.I would chose to remain within the UK.
However broken down into Counties, Tyrone Fermanagh and Probably Armagh would have a majority leave vote, but still make no difference to the end result.

That would mean that people who voted to leave in those 3 counties could argue that they should be allowed a different arrangement than the remain voting counties, but not if the votes were counted in one place.
I'm not so sure the aforementioned counties would vote to leave the union anyway.

 

[stewart]

The question asked was "Should the United Kingdom ......."

Yes that was the question and one of the countries of the United Kingdom voted no to leave, therefore the logical solution along with it making geographic sense would be a united Ireland, there are of course political reasons that come into the equation.

 

[stewart]

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London was the most ''Remain'' area. So would London remaining in the EU have been a sensible step?

Of course it wouldn't. The vote was on a UK-wide basis. And every area of the UK, including NI, has to abide by the overall result.

The same applies to UK elections. Even the staunchest SNP supporter has to accept that Boris is our PM (at least for now). And I remember accepting than Gordon Brown had become PM

London is part of England, Ireland is a separate country being part of the UK. Why not have a referendum on the issue of a united Ireland and using your logic allow the whole of the UK to vote on it!

 

[Wellytrack]

That would mean that people who voted to leave in those 3 counties could argue that they should be allowed a different arrangement than the remain voting counties, but not if the votes were counted in one place.
I'm not so sure the aforementioned counties would vote to leave the union anyway.

That’s speculation, Being Border Counties they likely would.

 

[nivilla1982]

That’s speculation, Being Border Counties they likely would.

Is it?

 

[nivilla1982]

Yes that was the question and one of the countries of the United Kingdom voted no to leave, therefore the logical solution along with it making geographic sense would be a united Ireland, there are of course political reasons that come into the equation.

What has logic to do with politics? So how do you propose to deal with the British Subjects in this "logical" solution?

 

[Agrivator]

What difference would that make?
The seme could be said for any voting stastics.
The result would still have been the same, and people would just make stats up for particular regions if they weren't revealed, at least when regions are counted you are dealing with facts.

We were voting as individuals to settle a national question.

We were not voting for local representatives.

 

[yin ewe]

That’s speculation, Being Border Counties they likely would.

It's all speculation, border poll talk seems to be fairly quiet for now. Perhaps those in favour of a united Ireland want little talk cos I'm not so sure Dublin would have thrown as much money at us as the brits have during the past 2 years.

 

[stewart]

It's all speculation, border poll talk seems to be fairly quiet for now. Perhaps those in favour of a united Ireland want little talk cos I'm not so sure Dublin would have thrown as much money at us as the brits have during the past 2 years.

Dublin may not have, Brussels could.

 

[Wellytrack]

It's all speculation, border poll talk seems to be fairly quiet for now. Perhaps those in favour of a united Ireland want little talk cos I'm not so sure Dublin would have thrown as much money at us as the brits have during the past 2 years.

Border Poll would have to happen in ROI too. No use N.I nationalists wanting United Ireland if the other 26 counties don’t

 

[yin ewe]

Dublin may not have, Brussels could.

I don't know what covid packages Brussels or Dublin had in place but I doubt they were any more or less generous than the UK ones.

Border Poll would have to happen in ROI too. No use N.I nationalists wanting United Ireland if the other 26 counties don’t

Getting the other 26 counties to vote yes would be the tricky part.

 

[Wellytrack]

I don't know what covid packages Brussels or Dublin had in place but I doubt they were any more or less generous than the UK ones.



Getting the other 26 counties to vote yes would be the tricky part.

Id doubt if they would.

 

[M-J-G]

We were voting as individuals to settle a national question.

We were not voting for local representatives.

What's wrong with having data?

 

[M-J-G]

It was a uk wide referendum, so how any area voted should have been irrelevant. Those that disagreed with the result, particularly in NI and Scotland, were able to disrupt negotiations, using the fact that their nations voted to remain.
Sure it's all water under the bridge now.

Those causing disruption would just do so by estimating or making up numbers if facts weren't revealed, and when people make things up they are usually favour their own cause, at least facts cannot be disputed.

 

[Bones]

It's all speculation, border poll talk seems to be fairly quiet for now. Perhaps those in favour of a united Ireland want little talk cos I'm not so sure Dublin would have thrown as much money at us as the brits have during the past 2 years.

Won't be a United ireland ,,, there will be a new ireland with united people, new flag new national anthem, with brits, irish and European money all needed, Its all ready starting,

 

[JimAndy]

I've yet to see a solution to how the New Ireland will cope/treat the near 1million people who think of them self's as British, or do the nationalist believe that they just get up and go Like they were forced to do in the 1920's.
There are those who tell us that we would be very welcome in the New Ireland but as the last poll in the irish times, show that we would only be welcome as second class citizens, as there is still quite a hate for all things British/Protestant in parts of RoI (as shown by the young Caven Boy bulled to death for being of Protestant father) even on twitter a few weeks ago i saw a post the "No good Irish person should use the term "lateral flow test" as that what the British call it.

so given that it now 2022 we got social media, EU human rights, so you can't "persuade" them to leave. how do you intergrade 2 people that have been twisted by the powers on both side, to hate each other

 

[M-J-G]

I've yet to see a solution to how the New Ireland will cope/treat the near 1million people who think of them self's as British, or do the nationalist believe that they just get up and go Like they were forced to do in the 1920's.
There are those who tell us that we would be very welcome in the New Ireland but as the last poll in the irish times, show that we would only be welcome as second class citizens, as there is still quite a hate for all things British/Protestant in parts of RoI (as shown by the young Caven Boy bulled to death for being of Protestant father) even on twitter a few weeks ago i saw a post the "No good Irish person should use the term "lateral flow test" as that what the British call it.

so given that it now 2022 we got social media, EU human rights, so you can't "persuade" them to leave. how do you intergrade 2 people that have been twisted by the powers on both side, to hate each other

I have "Protestant" (although I do detest identifying people by their religion) family members who live in ROI, and I have yet to hear tell of them having any issue with how they are treated by the nation, most people don't care.
The same goes for a fellow cattle breeder down there, he used to get very uneasy about going to to the North.

The same goes for the mainland UK, there may be a few extreme areas, but on the whole people's religion doesn't cross normal people's minds.
I've known neighbours here in Scotland for over 20 years and I have no clue what religion they are nor do I care, they probably don't celebrate a religion, and to be honest until I read thereads on TFF that mention religion, it doesn't even enter my head.

Taking an interest in that kind of thing seems to be more common in NI.