Not sure it really helps that much
It’s certainly no match for a hail storm - nothing is !
Pod sealant
- Thread starter Robm 1959
- Start date
Not sure it really helps that much
It’s certainly no match for a hail storm - nothing is !
- Location
- Lincolnshire
As I have said for many years... do nothing, go on holiday, I have not sprayed anything on OSR after the astro kerb in 15 years.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I find with natural senescence that some areas have shed while some areas are still green and those green areas don't half put the moisture up in the heap.
I had to get rid of the old East German swather and draper last year for a variety of reasons (they were on last legs and took acres of room to store and abut a fortnight to get ready) but was sad to see it go. It did such a good tidy job. The only drawback was heavy rain after swathing which nearly pushed the swath down into the worms some years and left the underside like manure. Direct cutting this year but grew a semi dwarf, dk sequel. Looks OK but as usual I could fall at the last fence with harvesting problems. Might even pay to get the neighbour to harvest it with his super duper extended bed header. The seed saved over and above my old bed would probably pay for the combining.
I hate going through with the sprayer but it's the ideal time to get any perennial grass weeds with glyphosate.
Don't know whether it's worth getting a side knife or just tramp it down with a pole. Side knives drop a fair bit on the floor.
I had to get rid of the old East German swather and draper last year for a variety of reasons (they were on last legs and took acres of room to store and abut a fortnight to get ready) but was sad to see it go. It did such a good tidy job. The only drawback was heavy rain after swathing which nearly pushed the swath down into the worms some years and left the underside like manure. Direct cutting this year but grew a semi dwarf, dk sequel. Looks OK but as usual I could fall at the last fence with harvesting problems. Might even pay to get the neighbour to harvest it with his super duper extended bed header. The seed saved over and above my old bed would probably pay for the combining.
I hate going through with the sprayer but it's the ideal time to get any perennial grass weeds with glyphosate.
Don't know whether it's worth getting a side knife or just tramp it down with a pole. Side knives drop a fair bit on the floor.
- Location
- North West
As Clive says, pod stick doesn’t help against weather damage.
While on the adjuvant academy de sangosse told us that pod stick is only to help reduce mechanical losses while harvesting not to protect against the weather.
I was never convinced pod stick did much, but the extended header is a must for harvesting without loss of seed and maintaining speed of harvesting.
If you don't have one pay someone who has.
- Location
- Dorset/Wilts
Decisions to use it or not must be based on the whole job??
Those with extended headers or can lift the reel right over the top might see little benefit of sealant.
Those with uniform crops over the fields might see little benefit in glyphosate.
Surely its case by case.
Those with extended headers or can lift the reel right over the top might see little benefit of sealant.
Those with uniform crops over the fields might see little benefit in glyphosate.
Surely its case by case.
- Location
- Dorset/Wilts
£35/acre to combine, £311/ton?? Is a machine losing 113kg/acre?
I always find rape very hard to measure losses, but every time you have to reverse to clear header blockage with standard header it throws loads out of the front, and a contractor with a larger header would lose less through less passes through the crop.
The tramline pass always had way more loss with a standard header and I never thought it was good for older combines wear and tear in general.
I never enjoyed cutting rape till we got an extending header so perhaps I over estimate the benefits.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
That's very true. As with so many discussions on this forum, much depends on local circumstances and a host of different conditions so there isn't a "right" answer.
I have variable soils with varying ripeness and a fair of amount of green weed in the bottom. I will be spraying it off. I won't be using pod stick as I think varieties have moved on enough for the pods to stay closed for longer. I will probably combine at 11% and dry it down. I have always found that moisture level to lose less seed. Below 8 is hopeless with my old JD 100 series header. The table auger diameter is too small to feed rape under it and the bed too short to catch the seed the the auger threhes out at lower moisture levels.
Having said that, the best crop we ever harvested was direct with a MF525 and its bed was nothing special.
We'll see on the day.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
The trouble here is the rubbish keeps growing. Then I am up and down the combine steps unjamming the auger every few yards. It's field pansy valley here this year for some reason. That and the effin cranesbill.
We had same dilemma as you, used to swath ours and pick it up with draper header on our old mf 36, went really well, but if it turns wet once swathed then it's a nightmare, especially the two swaths that's turned on, we changed the combine and cut direct now, also use an extension and it's a must imo, especially if it's lodged at all. We would of got someone else too cut it if we hadn't changed combine, but if you do cut it then you definitely want to get a side knife, would think it would be murder without one.
I'll be adding Pod Stik to the pre harvest glyphosate as usual as cheap insurance. The uneven crops from CSFB damage and weed understory mean desiccation will be even more important this year. I've got a lot of cereals to harvest after the osr so am happy to risk a little bit of yield by spraying off rather than delaying harvest by 5-10 days by leaving it to ripen naturally. July storms soon mean pod shatter - I'm not risking leaving ripe stuff 2 weeks while waiting for the last 10% to be fit.
- Location
- Yorks
I wonder if the availability (or not) of a high-clearance self-propelled sprayer is influencing the decision making and reasoning process for some. It understandably affects the decision.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
The OSR crop here is the tail that tries to wag the dog. High clearance sprayer, drill small seed kit, combine bed mods, drying and storage problems.Might be easier just ditching the crop and keeping it simple here.
- Location
- Yorks
I guess it's cheaper to use the option of a contractor for the desiccation spray, and run a trailed sprayer for yourself for the rest of the year.
Certainly lots pf people questioning OSR in the rotation. I like grass as a break, it's just trying to turn a profit with it!
- Location
- Dorset/Wilts
18m tramlines here 
. No contractor with a high clearance sprayer of that size
. No contractor with a high clearance sprayer of that size
- Location
- Yorks
Got high-clearance here now, but used to just go through with the tractor.
Didn't/couldn't dessicate in 2007 as was too wet to travel with sprayer. It combined OK, just took another week or so to be fit to cut.
Not certain on the approach as yet this year. Might do pod sealant on whole field, then just glyphosate headlands to even them up with rest of field.
Didn't/couldn't dessicate in 2007 as was too wet to travel with sprayer. It combined OK, just took another week or so to be fit to cut.
Not certain on the approach as yet this year. Might do pod sealant on whole field, then just glyphosate headlands to even them up with rest of field.
- Location
- Yorks
Does anyone think glyphosate affects how brittle the pods are compared to not desicating? Or no difference?
Pretty certain it increases chance of barley heads falling off.
Pretty certain it increases chance of barley heads falling off.
- Location
- East Sussex
Been using pod stick since 2011, I think it was, after a discussion we tried one pot and did half a field, did the usual after combining which was cultivate immediately back then, once the volunteers came up there was a straight line down the field, darker green on one side (more volunteers) so used it ever since wrongly or rightly. Did try putting it in with the glyphosate for two years but I felt I wanted it on before glyphosate timings, when it’s still green and bendy, so separate pass for me.