Planting Trees

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
There is an extremely strong argument for planting poor quality and hill land with commercial forest. There is an equally strong argument for not planting productive grassland/arable land.

With the current big push being largely government (subsidy) driven, we can pretty much guarantee that land will be planted that shouldn’t be and land that probably should be planted won’t be.

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Muddyroads

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NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
I had to smile wryly to myself today. The National Trust did some tree planting today on some wet ground next to to a river. This was the number of cars that turned up to do the job:
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Must have been 1 hell of a planting job, especially as they were told to take their lunch with them.


All this (9 cars, 1 person in each, plus a Trust pickup and quad bike), all looked like well paid salaried staff from the NT, the EA and who knows where else, just to plant 500 trees (willows and alders)!
How many million are they intending to plant? Going to be bloody expensive and take an awfully long time at this rate.
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
I had to smile wryly to myself today. The National Trust did some tree planting today on some wet ground next to to a river. This was the number of cars that turned up to do the job:
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Must have been 1 hell of a planting job, especially as they were told to take their lunch with them.


All this (9 cars, 1 person in each, plus a Trust pickup and quad bike), all looked like well paid salaried staff from the NT, the EA and who knows where else, just to plant 500 trees (willows and alders)!
How many million are they intending to plant? Going to be bloody expensive and take an awfully long time at this rate.
How much carbon was released driving to the place to plant the trees?:unsure::ROFLMAO:
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
but not on peat, as it causes carbon to be released, and if we are thinking of global warming, I have read reports that show grassland sequests more carbon than forests do, having said that, old growth woods should never be cut down, as replanting does not replace what is lost. It is also lovely to see areas of trees, so the odd corner or bank is ok. What annoys me is the "wokies" saying, fine to fly as I am planting trees to offset.
Nah,they have a vegan burger at the airport and that offsets their flight.....:rolleyes:
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
I had to smile wryly to myself today. The National Trust did some tree planting today on some wet ground next to to a river. This was the number of cars that turned up to do the job:
View attachment 927234
Must have been 1 hell of a planting job, especially as they were told to take their lunch with them.


All this (9 cars, 1 person in each, plus a Trust pickup and quad bike), all looked like well paid salaried staff from the NT, the EA and who knows where else, just to plant 500 trees (willows and alders)!
How many million are they intending to plant? Going to be bloody expensive and take an awfully long time at this rate.

God loves a trier....
 

Muddyroads

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NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
How much carbon was released driving to the place to plant the trees?:unsure::ROFLMAO:
This is what really cheeses me off. They’re planting rubbish trees onto fertile permanent pasture which would sequester more carbon than the trees will, and keep it locked up, whereas the trees will release it all back when they die and rot (after they’ve shed a load of leaves into the river each year, adding to the silt).
 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
Wildlife trust in Bolton doing a similar thing on Winter Hill but have done a purpose made car park which probably holds 250 cars which seems to be three quarters full every day of these tree planting nutters. Its rather ironic as there replacing the trees lost due to the fires caused by there own mismanagement.
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
We had our little booklet this weekend. My son's reaction was "who would plant trees on an arable field worth around £8,000 an acre that produces a crop every year, and put trees on it that reduces its value to £4,000 and there is nothing to harvest for 25 years."

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someone who believes we are going to be paying a wealth tax for many years to cover the cost of Covid...
 

GeorgeK

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Location
Leicestershire
This is what really cheeses me off. They’re planting rubbish trees onto fertile permanent pasture which would sequester more carbon than the trees will, and keep it locked up, whereas the trees will release it all back when they die and rot (after they’ve shed a load of leaves into the river each year, adding to the silt).
Will they come and water them in a drought to stop them dying, and keep the weeds down so they aren't smothered? People don't realise planting trees is the easy bit, the maintenance is forgotten about
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Will they come and water them in a drought to stop them dying, and keep the weeds down so they aren't smothered? People don't realise planting trees is the easy bit, the maintenance is forgotten about

I pointed this out to the local WT when the planted a small Coppice nearby. I got the local PC to badger the Council, who sent in there grass cutting gangs with strimmers etc, so at least most trees survived. WT really had no idea It seemed to me.
 

Hesston4860s

Member
Location
Nr Lincoln
We had our little booklet this weekend. My son's reaction was "who would plant trees on an arable field worth around £8,000 an acre that produces a crop every year, and put trees on it that reduces its value to £4,000 and there is nothing to harvest for 25 years."

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The answer to your sons question is my f**king late father, I’ve 36ac of the barsteward things !. They earn nothing and haven’t since 2012, one schemes just finished and I want to return it to arable as per the rules of the original agreement !.
 

Muddyroads

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
Will they come and water them in a drought to stop them dying, and keep the weeds down so they aren't smothered? People don't realise planting trees is the easy bit, the maintenance is forgotten about
No chance. I mentioned to one of the EA ladies as she was leaving that it’s a shame their “wetland area” drys out every summer. She looked at me quite disbelievingly.
 
Location
salop
How many farmers are growing barley at £ 135 a tonne. Costing about £100 a tonne to grow when you could grow willow or poplar for chipping worth £130 /tonne. Once its planted you cant stop it growing.
 

Gedd

Member
Livestock Farmer
How many farmers are growing barley at £ 135 a tonne. Costing about £100 a tonne to grow when you could grow willow or poplar for chipping worth £130 /tonne. Once its planted you cant stop it growing.
And in a few years when it's over supplied will cost a fortune to put the ground right again
 

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