AHDB

[cattleman123]

Was asked out of the blue a couple of days ago how i as a farmer would like their Levy money spent...Advertising and promotion were the 1st things to mind...whats everyones thoughts on this...be great to hear

 

[delilah]

lol. As just said on the trees thread....

You really do know that your industry is screwed, when the people you pay to promote your product instead spend your money saying that trees are better for the environment than your product is.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1236520590141689

 

[cattleman123]

lol. As just said on the trees thread....

Oh dear...had not seen that before ..whay a load of twits

 

[delilah]

Oh dear...had not seen that before ..whay a load of twits

Don't get me started..

This from the AHDB website:
Is permanent pasture better for carbon sequestration than planting trees?
Pasture only sequesters carbon as it grows when first sown. Once it is fully established, the process of growth and decay makes it carbon neutral. Trees on the other hand sequester carbon for their entire lifespan. Ploughing permanent pasture releases significant amounts of carbon.


Whereas independent scientists put it like this:
In the work of Guo and Gifford (2002) a meta-analysis was undertaken of data from 74 international land use change and soil carbon storage studies. It measured the effects of land use change in 537 instances and was used to determine the importance of land use and land use change on soil carbon stocks. The analysis showed that there was a decline in soil carbon stocks after land use conversion from grassland to plantation forest (−10 percent), native forest to plantation forest (−13 percent), native forest to cropland (−42 percent), and grassland to cropland (−59 percent). There were significant increases in soil carbon stocks after land use changes from native forest to grassland (+8 percent), cropland to grassland (+19 percent), cropland to plantation (+18 percent), and cropland to secondary forest (+53 percent). The conversion of native forest or grassland to broadleaf deciduous tree plantation had no effect on soil carbon stocks, but conversion to pine or conifer forest reduced soil carbon by between 12 and 15 percent. This analysis of land use change and soil carbon data also suggested that, if a given land use change is responsible for soil carbon losses, then the reverse change could potentially increase soil carbon stocks. But it is important to recognise that it can take decades if not centuries to recover to the original level of soil carbon stocks after disturbance due to land use change (Guo and Gifford, 2002).


Who needs enemies, when we have the AHDB ?

 

[delilah]

The smallprint says 'woodland, meadows and forest', yet the video only talks about woodland and forest.
It's almost as if they are embarrassed of the meadows.
You pay for this sh!te.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=300541251717555

 

[delilah]

Your cows and your crops are responsible for 10% of the UK's GHG emissions.

https://weeatbalanced.com/know-your-food/sustainability/

They aren't of course; you know that, I know that, anyone with half a brain knows that. But the people you pay to promote your industry are too thick to understand that, so they just trot out what Government reports tell them. Reports based on 'science' from vegan campaigners and global corporations planning to feed the world on fake food produced in their laboratories.

 

[delilah]

They can't even string a coherent sentence together.

When it comes to the food we eat, the way it is produced has a huge impact on its environmental impact and sustainability.

In English: Farmers are destroying the planet.

 

[delilah]

The below is actually very good, it's just a shame that you really have to search to find it. It appeared a month or so ago, and is being regularly added to.

https://weeatbalanced.com/can-you-e...an-have-a-positive-impact-on-the-environment/

 

[spin cycle]

Was asked out of the blue a couple of days ago how i as a farmer would like their Levy money spent...Advertising and promotion were the 1st things to mind...whats everyones thoughts on this...be great to hear

get outta red tractor or give it back

 

[texelburger]

Don't get me started..

This from the AHDB website:
Is permanent pasture better for carbon sequestration than planting trees?
Pasture only sequesters carbon as it grows when first sown. Once it is fully established, the process of growth and decay makes it carbon neutral. Trees on the other hand sequester carbon for their entire lifespan. Ploughing permanent pasture releases significant amounts of carbon.


Whereas independent scientists put it like this:
In the work of Guo and Gifford (2002) a meta-analysis was undertaken of data from 74 international land use change and soil carbon storage studies. It measured the effects of land use change in 537 instances and was used to determine the importance of land use and land use change on soil carbon stocks. The analysis showed that there was a decline in soil carbon stocks after land use conversion from grassland to plantation forest (−10 percent), native forest to plantation forest (−13 percent), native forest to cropland (−42 percent), and grassland to cropland (−59 percent). There were significant increases in soil carbon stocks after land use changes from native forest to grassland (+8 percent), cropland to grassland (+19 percent), cropland to plantation (+18 percent), and cropland to secondary forest (+53 percent). The conversion of native forest or grassland to broadleaf deciduous tree plantation had no effect on soil carbon stocks, but conversion to pine or conifer forest reduced soil carbon by between 12 and 15 percent. This analysis of land use change and soil carbon data also suggested that, if a given land use change is responsible for soil carbon losses, then the reverse change could potentially increase soil carbon stocks. But it is important to recognise that it can take decades if not centuries to recover to the original level of soil carbon stocks after disturbance due to land use change (Guo and Gifford, 2002).


Who needs enemies, when we have the AHDB ?

I can't believe they put that rubbish on their website,grass sequests carbon throughout its life,storing it in the soil. Trees don't.

 

[Plopper]

I would like to stop paying them any levy money , fecking waste of space

 

[gone up the hill]

Was asked out of the blue a couple of days ago how i as a farmer would like their Levy money spent...Advertising and promotion were the 1st things to mind...whats everyones thoughts on this...be great to hear

They have done consultation after consultation the last few years with levy payers about what changes they want done!..

And so far they have just carried on like normal and changed nothing!!


Time now for the AHDB to be scrapped as the levy money is being totally and utterly wasted!

Oh and do no forget the AHDB give plenty of our levy money to the RT company aka NFU!

 

[simon w]

The potatro

They have done consultation after consultation the last few years with levy payers about what changes they want done!..

And so far they have just carried on like normal and changed nothing!!


Time now for the AHDB to be scrapped as the levy money is being totally and utterly wasted!

Oh and do no forget the AHDB give plenty of our levy money to the RT company aka NFU!

In January / February the potato and horticultural sections both voted by a big majority to scrap the ahbd, but Defra has taken no action. It would would help if other sectors arranged a vote to show that they also want out. It seems that the ahdb are trying to find a use when the farmers just want them gone and save the money for better use and not used to support red tractor.

 

[Agrivator]

When AHDB's predecessor (the MLC), was disbanded, Farm Assurance was expanded to provide jobs for their redundant staff.

If AHDB is disbanded, what jobs could be created for their redundant staff?????

 

[Sandpit Farm]

The potatro

In January / February the potato and horticultural sections both voted by a big majority to scrap the ahbd, but Defra has taken no action. It would would help if other sectors arranged a vote to show that they also want out. It seems that the ahdb are trying to find a use when the farmers just want them gone and save the money for better use and not used to support red tractor.

Interesting, that isn't my impression of what is happening. As I understand it Potato and Horticulture growers voted against AHDB and the levy board has ceased all activity in all areas other than those where prior contractual agreements had been made or where existing value would have been lost (eg certain research). Defra has not confirmed the process for redundancy but it is inevitable and will be wound up.

As far as the other sectors are concerned - every sector will have a ballot in the Spring. Again Defra have not confirmed what the date is for this but it is happening - it has been confirmed in FG and FW. If that spells the end for AHDB, that is fine but the money will not be better spent elsewhere as it wouldn't exist. It would be back in people's pockets and it would be farmers responsibility to seek the information or marketing required.

 

[delilah]

When AHDB's predecessor (the MLC), was disbanded, Farm Assurance was expanded to provide jobs for their redundant staff.

If AHDB is disbanded, what jobs could be created for their redundant staff?????

ELMS advisors/ assessors/ enforcers.

If that spells the end for AHDB, that is fine but the money will not be better spent elsewhere as it wouldn't exist. It would be back in people's pockets and it would be farmers responsibility to seek the information or marketing required.

Which is why I put AHDB in the same bracket as the NFU. I don't want to see them gone, I just want them to do their job properly.

 

[delilah]

*** Everybody really does need to read this ***

https://ahdb.org.uk/news/trade-and-policy/horizon-blog-net-zero

There it is in black and white. The AHDB telling Westminster that we need to replace cows with trees in order to meet GHG targets. Anyone on here who has anything to do with AHDB needs to get this crap stopped right now.

 

[delilah]

I can't believe they put that rubbish on their website,grass sequests carbon throughout its life,storing it in the soil. Trees don't.

It is on this page on their website:

https://ahdb.org.uk/environment-faqs

Is it any wonder we get such a bad press ? Any newspaper journalist or TV researcher who reads that page isn't going to have a clue what we are trying to say, other than that cows are destroying the planet and red meat gives you cancer.

 

[simon w]

Interesting, that isn't my impression of what is happening. As I understand it Potato and Horticulture growers voted against AHDB and the levy board has ceased all activity in all areas other than those where prior contractual agreements had been made or where existing value would have been lost (eg certain research). Defra has not confirmed the process for redundancy but it is inevitable and will be wound up.

As far as the other sectors are concerned - every sector will have a ballot in the Spring. Again Defra have not confirmed what the date is for this but it is happening - it has been confirmed in FG and FW. If that spells the end for AHDB, that is fine but the money will not be better spent elsewhere as it wouldn't exist. It would be back in people's pockets and it would be farmers responsibility to seek the information or marketing required.

Yes I agree with what you say, but it is strange that the ahdb is winding down when defra have not made a decision on their future. It is now 5 months with no action from Defra. As gone up the hill said they have done consultation after consultation with no change and while they mess around they expect us to still pay the levy.

 

[white_stuffed]

Don't get me started..

This from the AHDB website:
Is permanent pasture better for carbon sequestration than planting trees?
Pasture only sequesters carbon as it grows when first sown. Once it is fully established, the process of growth and decay makes it carbon neutral. Trees on the other hand sequester carbon for their entire lifespan. Ploughing permanent pasture releases significant amounts


Who needs enemies, when we have the AHDB ?

The below is actually very good, it's just a shame that you really have to search to find it. It appeared a month or so ago, and is being regularly added to.

https://weeatbalanced.com/can-you-e...an-have-a-positive-impact-on-the-environment/

The 2 completely contradict each other regarding grassland sequestration! I'll email him about the first quote.