Cecil Rhodes statue.

[Widgetone]

Vikings terrify me ......... Vikins not so much

Bloody mods can also spell then!

Course, our lot were crusaders in their time, should we say sorry to the raghea, ahem, citizens of Antioch?

 

[Bury the Trash]

I'm lying actually i still make goo goo ❤ eyes at Agnetha

 

[Highland Mule]

I'd take it.

Bronze is £4K/tonne at the moment. I’ll fight you for it.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Have you got her portrait up in your house? If not, why not?

I have a few in my wallet, wonder how the students feel about that?

 

[Lowland1]

Bronze is £4K/tonne at the moment. I’ll fight you for it.

Melt it down! i want it as a shrine. It will stand alongside my statues of Stalin and Saddam.

 

[Oldmacdonald]

I'd take it. I'd be quite happy with it on the lawn down the fen. Honestly everyone is living in the past. Move on. Rhodes was a man of his time that time has gone keeping his statue up should be a lesson to all that you can't airbrush out history. You should be able to look at these statues and know what these people did and assess whether it was good or bad. At the time it was considered good now times have changed.

He wasn't even a man if his time though. His contemporaries thought him barbaric.

Bronze is £4K/tonne at the moment. I’ll fight you for it.

Its stone.

 

[Highland Mule]

Its stone.

Oh well, Lowland can have him. I'll take the Colston one instead.

 

[ollie989898]

It is ridiculous that folk are being outraged at the past when there is a whole lot more injustice in the world in our present to contend ourselves with.

 

[Oldmacdonald]

It is ridiculous that folk are being outraged at the past when there is a whole lot more injustice in the world in our present to contend ourselves with.

I'm not sure if outrage is an emotion you can pick and choose which direction to direct it towards.

I'm outraged at the shrinkflation of chocolate bars. I cant help it, I just am. However that doesn't diminish any outrage I feel towards injustices towards groups of our society.

 

[Lowland1]

He wasn't even a man if his time though. His contemporaries thought him barbaric.


Its stone.

Trust me he was a man of his times. His times were the times of empire and his aims were money for himself and more land for Queen Victoria he wasn’t even anti black those people just didn’t count his aim was to sort the Dutch out in the Transvaal which is why him and his mate Jameson instigated the first boer war. He might have been a bad person but he was living in bad times ask any Afrikaaner survivors of British Concentration camps whether things got better after Rhodes or not if any were still alive they would be unlikely to say Ja .
As for a stone statue i could use it hang a washing line on.

 

[ollie989898]

I'm not sure if outrage is an emotion you can pick and choose which direction to direct it towards.

I'm outraged at the shrinkflation of chocolate bars. I cant help it, I just am. However that doesn't diminish any outrage I feel towards injustices towards groups of our society.

Perhaps you are right. I read in the week a retired GP mentioning that rates of anxiety etc are rocketing in the under 30's. It would appear that as a nation, the youth of today are under more pressure or less able to cope with life today as it presents itself.

More people need to learn the skill of simply not giving a fudge if you ask me. I didn't know there was any statue of Cecil Rhodes or even who he was. That is is the centre of some kind of controversy at some elitist academic institution makes it all the more baffling to me.

 

[Lowland1]

There is something very wrong with this revisionist culture it used to be said that history is written by the winners now the losers want it rewritten. Ollie Robinson the cricketer has lost his job because of something he wrote nearly ten years ago when he was 18 i would hope he doesn’t hold the same views today but the common view on here is 18 year olds are stupid but they do grow up. I am most certainly not the same person i was when i was 18 and the UK is not the same country it was a 120 years ago but people need to know how it and people have changed.

 

[Highland Mule]

Disagree - history shouldn’t be written by winners or losers, but by historians and reflect the truth without any omissions.

As for some cricketer being sacked for something he did as an 18 year old - I have some sympathy and am glad I wasn’t young in the Twitter era.

 

[Mr Mackay]

I'm lying actually i still make goo goo ❤ eyes at Agnetha

Rear of the year iirc

 

[Lowland1]

Disagree - history shouldn’t be written by winners or losers, but by historians and reflect the truth without any omissions.

As for some cricketer being sacked for something he did as an 18 year old - I have some sympathy and am glad I wasn’t young in the Twitter era.

To be pedantic i didn’t say it should be written by the winners or the losers. The point is removal of statues etc means there are no points of reference. Just because Rhodes was a bad man by todays standards if there is no statue no one knows who he was or what he did same with Colston and others. I don’t think people are using thse statues for worship but if someone sees a statue and then looks up who the statue is of i think it’s a good thing.

 

[Highland Mule]

To be pedantic i didn’t say it should be written by the winners or the losers. The point is removal of statues etc means there are no points of reference. Just because Rhodes was a bad man by todays standards if there is no statue no one knows who he was or what he did same with Colston and others. I don’t think people are using thse statues for worship but if someone sees a statue and then looks up who the statue is of i think it’s a good thing.

Agreed - wouldn’t necessarily remove any statues, but they do need plaques to tell the truth about the person. Of course some represent folks who were bad by present and historic standards - am I correct that there are none of Hitler?

 

[Lowland1]

Agreed - wouldn’t necessarily remove any statues, but they do need plaques to tell the truth about the person. Of course some represent folks who were bad by present and historic standards - am I correct that there are none of Hitler?

Possibly a couple in Paraguay.

 

[Highland Mule]

Possibly a couple in Paraguay.

Whats your thoughts on the stories he lived out his life there?

 

[Martin Holden]

If you really want to cry, I see that the Middle Common Room (post grad students) of Magdalene College Cambridge have voted to remove the portrait of the Queen that is in there as it "may cause distress to some of our overseas students due to her colonial associations"

What a time to be alive

The world and “his dog” are going or have gone loopy! There are so many other more important issues to contend with and you can’t re write history or simply erase it.

 

[Bald Rick]

The world and “his dog” are going or have gone loopy! There are so many other more important issues to contend with and you can’t re write history or simply erase it.

Apart from the fact I messed up as it’s Magdalen Oxford not Cambridge, I see from a further report today that the vice chancellor has backed the students up