Back in the 80s, my sister worked briefly for Thames Water (or whatever they were called then) and told me that up to 30 tonnes a day of animal droppings (mainly but not exclusively, dog) went in to the Thames every day.
Dirty Water in an NVZ .. How do you cope?
- Thread starter Bald Rick
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Back in the 80s, my sister worked briefly for Thames Water (or whatever they were called then) and told me that up to 30 tonnes a day of animal droppings (mainly but not exclusively, dog) went in to the Thames every day.
Tarw Coch
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- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Agree with the principle of what you say although I’d be very surprised if the figure was anything like 5%, significantly less than 1% I would hope
Jdunn55
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- Helston, cornwall
So would I, I try and use worst case figures then I'm usually pleasantly surprised. It's when you get convinced by people in suits and ties that they know better and therefore you go with what they say and regret ever listening to them
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- somerset
well, we have had our problems with EA, about the only thing he didn't comment about, was the dirty water system,
after all his huffing and puffing, we are legal, as we always thought we were. Perhaps the most informative part, as he has been a right arsehole, son told him, he didn't like his intimidating attitude, and could he forward his 'managers e'mail', as a lot he was insisting on, was different, to what his boss had said. He seriously didn't like accusation, No e'mail address forthcoming, but his boss rung us, he will check the figures, and admitted there were 'communication' problems, perhaps rather alot !
after all his huffing and puffing, we are legal, as we always thought we were. Perhaps the most informative part, as he has been a right arsehole, son told him, he didn't like his intimidating attitude, and could he forward his 'managers e'mail', as a lot he was insisting on, was different, to what his boss had said. He seriously didn't like accusation, No e'mail address forthcoming, but his boss rung us, he will check the figures, and admitted there were 'communication' problems, perhaps rather alot !
ollie989898
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These folk need educating as to what the meaning of the term 'civil servant' is.
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- somerset
he has been a right barsteward, only came in after someone complained about the road drains being blocked, and not our fault. He was querying the size of our lagoon, our figures didn't agree with his aerial photo, his bosses figures, promar figures, agreed with ours. Then the full NVZ figures needed, not in right format, (for him, rb209 though), just really awkward, and just wouldn't agree the lagoon size, not enough storage, breaking the 6 month rule, threatened RPA, and we were legal anyway, doubly so now
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Can you use multiple sprinkler systems or K-line? Is that compliant over there, we had set amounts that could be applied per area per hour but two banks on a timer worked well.
4 hours x 8 sprinklers took care of 72 cube so twice a week was enough to keep 120 day storage where you wanted it. You wouldn't want to be winter milking because clean runoff was all diverted before the weeping walls, "green water" was reused on the backing-gate washer.
Went well on average, you'd get 3+ days you could use sprinklers and a few "two - burn" days would catch you up
Does anyone know who makes a decent PTO driven dirty water pump that doesn't cost the earth?
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- Shropshire
Sorry to bring an old thread back up, but if I’m not mistaken all dirty water is now classed as slurry.
We have an underground tank and an old rotorainer system, but now under an NVZ we would have to build 6 months storage just for dirty water which we would struggle to justify.
Is there any other ways around it or is it time to chuck the towel in?
We have an underground tank and an old rotorainer system, but now under an NVZ we would have to build 6 months storage just for dirty water which we would struggle to justify.
Is there any other ways around it or is it time to chuck the towel in?
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- somerset
the sheer cost of implementing the new rules, if they are properly enforced, will be economically impossible to comply, for many, esp tenants, the worst will be tenant dairy farmers, on shorter term FBT's, they have hard decisions to make.
the new SFI schemes, if studied and applied, will bring in a lot of cash, far more than SFP, so its worth looking at them, before chucking the towel in.
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- Shropshire
A friend has recently been inspected by the EA (as have all the other farms in his area) and they have demanded any concrete with a crack in to be replaced in the next few months. Apparently they have taken on many new inspectors and aim to do every farm in the country soon. So yes I think they will enforce the new rules.
Agree with the SFI though, just meant getting rid of the cows, even more so as we lost 10% from a tB test yesterday
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- somerset
the protests in Europe are basically against 'greening' measures, and the fact that product prices are to low, to afford them.
if common sense is applied, things might improve, common sense and civil servants don't mix.
chatting to a friend in construction, he has 3 clients he has quoted for new storage, they have the money, grant approved, EA approval, but cannot get past planning authority, they will not pass them. So, guv gives grants, grants not taken up, due to planning, when does the guv say, 'well, no one wants the money, take up is low, withdraw it'.
politicians don't know their ass from their elbow, when it comes to food production, and climate change, they rely on the loudest voice, and its not farmers.
we are heading towards a disaster, in so many things, and any guv, will preach, what it thinks will attract the most votes. If, as seems pretty certain, food inflation creeps up, and it will do, because there isn't enough profit, shipping it in, will cost more, through longer travel routes, avoiding war hot spots, fuel, and insurance.
enough affordable food supplies, great, if prices rise, panic. Food will always take preference over climate change, foods today, climates tomorrow, and votes count. One day, fairly soon, the penny will drop, things will change.
if common sense is applied, things might improve, common sense and civil servants don't mix.
chatting to a friend in construction, he has 3 clients he has quoted for new storage, they have the money, grant approved, EA approval, but cannot get past planning authority, they will not pass them. So, guv gives grants, grants not taken up, due to planning, when does the guv say, 'well, no one wants the money, take up is low, withdraw it'.
politicians don't know their ass from their elbow, when it comes to food production, and climate change, they rely on the loudest voice, and its not farmers.
we are heading towards a disaster, in so many things, and any guv, will preach, what it thinks will attract the most votes. If, as seems pretty certain, food inflation creeps up, and it will do, because there isn't enough profit, shipping it in, will cost more, through longer travel routes, avoiding war hot spots, fuel, and insurance.
enough affordable food supplies, great, if prices rise, panic. Food will always take preference over climate change, foods today, climates tomorrow, and votes count. One day, fairly soon, the penny will drop, things will change.
Only
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- Powys/Shropshire border
Nrw inspection letter arrived today for a visit on March 4A friend has recently been inspected by the EA (as have all the other farms in his area) and they have demanded any concrete with a crack in to be replaced in the next few months. Apparently they have taken on many new inspectors and aim to do every farm in the country soon. So yes I think they will enforce the new rules.
Agree with the SFI though, just meant getting rid of the cows, even more so as we lost 10% from a tB test yesterday
Should be interesting
Anybody in wales had 1
If its anything like around here (just down the road from you) I’d say its more Natural England causing problems at the planning stage rather than the planners themselves.
Chimera
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- North Wales
Got mine for an april inspection, at least the lagoon won't be brimming by then(hopefully) and got the fym spread
Only
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- Powys/Shropshire border
April be better for us tooGot mine for an april inspection, at least the lagoon won't be brimming by then(hopefully) and got the fym spread
organicguy
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- North East of the south west
Got EA inspection next week. Will be interesting
Posted in “New River Lugg” thread but I saw Highways England with the compliance of EA are constructing balancing ponds to extract sediment, rubber, oil etc from motorway run-off yet they forbid us from using reedbeds in a similar manner for dirty water.
Very minded to build some and see what they do about it
Very minded to build some and see what they do about it
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- somerset
our dirty water system hasn't coped with all the rain/run off this year, just to much volume.
built some sediment pond traps, pre any surplus getting to stream. Those ponds look well established now, concern some one complains, polluting ponds.
so the bit of ground between dirty water tanks, and ponds, is going to get 'planted' with a mix of withies and rushes, or a reed bed, by another name. Having had EA once, l have no intention of either asking advice, or coming to look.
by the time it seeps through that, and the ponds, should be very clean.
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- East Sussex
We had one before Christmas, similar requests here, and making sure gutters on barns up together, he wanted to see the calculations for our slurry tower too, 5 months storage required over the winter months, had to complete some requests almost straight away, but got another lump to complete this year basically.A friend has recently been inspected by the EA (as have all the other farms in his area) and they have demanded any concrete with a crack in to be replaced in the next few months. Apparently they have taken on many new inspectors and aim to do every farm in the country soon. So yes I think they will enforce the new rules.
Agree with the SFI though, just meant getting rid of the cows, even more so as we lost 10% from a tB test yesterday