Disappointed by cattle hurdles

Cowcalf

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not good at all biggest problem will be water getting into tubes and freezing in winter with the result the tubes will blow.
Not hard to reweld each joint properly and repaint repair.( preparation is the hard part )
Cannot see you getting a good outcom from supplier we make cattle hurdles from 3 mm 30 mm box these weigh 37 k , good to handle when knee deep in mud
 

Forever Fendt

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Location
Derbyshire
not good at all biggest problem will be water getting into tubes and freezing in winter with the result the tubes will blow.
Not hard to reweld each joint properly and repaint repair.( preparation is the hard part )
Cannot see you getting a good outcom from supplier we make cattle hurdles from 3 mm 30 mm box these weigh 37 k , good to handle when knee deep in mud
You don’t want to be welding stuff that is galvanised
 

grange farm

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Lincs
State the sale of goods act. Think its 1988 section 24. Will look it up if needs be. Tell them in writing that they're not just fit for purpose, they'll endanger user and stock alike. Those my friend are utter dog sh!t. None of the main manufacturers make owt to last now, but those hurdles take the biscuit. If anyone wants my opinion on bateman, iae or premier livestock DM me. I've more than a few stories.

Seriously though. Send them back. Photograph. Write an official complaint. If you're an NFU member contact call first and state the issues. If you've not had them 14 days you've got a cooling off period if it was a distance sale.
 

Werzle

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Location
Midlands
I have IAE hurdles and Ritchie, the Ritchie ones are much stronger, nothing wrong with iae but they are lighter. I,ve had the locking pins bend but never the hurdle it self. Imo your better off not skimping on quality when it comes to animal equipment, hurdles, races, they got to be up to the job.
I know two firms who have switched to stocking ritchie products over iae lately because they are stronger build quality.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
No. We ordered off them in the past and ended up cancelling as agreed a price all in then they added VAT on and were relentless with their sales patter. They also have more sales than DFS. Not sure what their stuffs like but it was the constant Second hand car dealer talk that put me off
I've never yet bought such a thing with no VAT on top of the selling price. This is business to business, not retail sales. If you were not VAT registered then you should have said so.
 
I have IAE hurdles and Ritchie, the Ritchie ones are much stronger, nothing wrong with iae but they are lighter. I,ve had the locking pins bend but never the hurdle it self. Imo your better off not skimping on quality when it comes to animal equipment, hurdles, races, they got to be up to the job.
Totally agree. I have got a Rancher cattle hurdle system, bought 20 years ago, just before we went down with TB, and it was and still is, an excellent buy. Looked at IAE at the time, and these must have weighed 25% more, for a fraction more money, and they will outlast me, and whoever takes over...!!

I have total faith in them standing any animal that is inside a pen or race, and to me, that is essential in a handling setup, or why bother...
 
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I've never yet bought such a thing with no VAT on top of the selling price. This is business to business, not retail sales. If you were not VAT registered then you should have said so.
To me if you agree a final all in price, that includes everything including vat. More than anything else it was the constant salesman talk that put me off anyway. When said wasn't vat registered he wanted cash which I said no to and then a cheque made out to someone else .
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
To me if you agree a final all in price, that includes everything including vat. More than anything else it was the constant salesman talk that put me off anyway. When said wasn't vat registered he wanted cash which I said no to and then a cheque made out to someone else .
So you are not VAT registered and you obviously don't buy much from farmer's merchants or the like, or you would know that everything VATable is quoted net of VAT.
There is no way he could absorb your 20% VAT which you could not reclaim and by law he has to charge VAT. He tried to help you out by slightly less legal means but you did not recognise a gift horse when given to you on a plate. That is your problem, not his. He did nothing wrong except trying to do you a favour, while putting himself in a dodgy position legally, which you were incapable of recognising.

No point trying to blame the merchant. You've been sussed mate by someone who's seen it all before.
 
So you are not VAT registered and you obviously don't buy much from farmer's merchants or the like, or you would know that everything VATable is quoted net of VAT.
There is no way he could absorb your 20% VAT which you could not reclaim and by law he has to charge VAT. He tried to help you out by slightly less legal means but you did not recognise a gift horse when given to you on a plate. That is your problem, not his. He did nothing wrong except trying to do you a favour, while putting himself in a dodgy position legally, which you were incapable of recognising.

No point trying to blame the merchant. You've been sussed mate by someone who's seen it all before.
I've been sussed?? For what? That's a bit of a strange reply. Sussed for not wanting to pay a cheque to someone nothing to do with the transaction? I'm guessing you have something to do with the Finney's because that reply is just bizarre.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I've been sussed?? For what? That's a bit of a strange reply. Sussed for not wanting to pay a cheque to someone nothing to do with the transaction? I'm guessing you have something to do with the Finney's because that reply is just bizarre.
You have been sussed for not seeing the wood for the trees. Not understanding the business. Business in general. For not seeing that the chap was trying to help you avoid the VAT at considerable risk to himself. I am not surprised in the least that you are perplexed as I expected nothing else considering your posts.
 
You have been sussed for not seeing the wood for the trees. Not understanding the business. Business in general. For not seeing that the chap was trying to help you avoid the VAT at considerable risk to himself. I am not surprised in the least that you are perplexed as I expected nothing else considering your posts.
Not understanding business to business? I've run a business for 30 years! If I agree an all in price, a price with everything included I don't then expect someone to subtly try to add vat on in a later conversation. How does paying a cheque to someone totally unrelated help me? By making a little bit of vat disappear? Doesn't look good on my books does it when I get HMRC looking through them. They are nothing to do with these hurdles anyway
 
As I’ve said on here before I’d rather thicker metal better welds And don’t bother with the cost of galvanising it.

ive lost count of ring feeders Hurdles ect that have fallen to bits on our farm due to being cheaply made (but shiney with galv :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )...We’ve some heavy green Painted sheep hurdles my dad bought years ago There slightly rusty in places but they’ll probably outlast me
 
As I’ve said on here before I’d rather thicker metal better welds And don’t bother with the cost of galvanising it.

ive lost count of ring feeders Hurdles ect that have fallen to bits on our farm due to being cheaply made (but shiney with galv :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )...We’ve some heavy green Painted sheep hurdles my dad bought years ago There slightly rusty in places but they’ll probably outlast me
We've got some old painted calf hurdles I bought second hand 10yrs ago. Totally indestructible. Weigh a ton but will last forever.
 

quavers

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Location
aberdeenshire
do you not have local blacksmiths fabricators , down south now days , up here we have numerous local guys who can make up the hurdles to the spec you want , might be a bit more expensive but they will always be worth something at the end of the day , better than money in the bank least you can use your hurdles
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Not understanding business to business? I've run a business for 30 years! If I agree an all in price, a price with everything included I don't then expect someone to subtly try to add vat on in a later conversation. How does paying a cheque to someone totally unrelated help me? By making a little bit of vat disappear? Doesn't look good on my books does it when I get HMRC looking through them. They are nothing to do with these hurdles anyway
If you don't see it, you don't see it. You have made it clear that you just don't understand it. You've obviously not run a VAT registered business or sold [or bought] VATable goods to VAT registered businesses or you would know that they are not interested in the price including VAT and require a legal VAT invoice on goods they buy and supply a VAT invoice with goods they sell. You seem not to even have noticed or wondered why things are marked less VAT with the VAT applied separately on price tags.

A small hint… if I go buy a £40, 000 tractor, the price I will be quoted will be £40,000. Everyone knows that there will be £8000 of VAT added on top and even if on finance the VAT will be payable up front. Even if you are not registered for VAT you will have to pay the VAT, so your net payment will be £48,000. The same applies on a smaller scale, so you buy hurdles worth £400 from an ag merchant and you will be charged £480. If you don't make it clear that you are not VAT registered beforehand, the price quoted will be £400 because the merchant will assume that you will pay the VAT and reclaim it. For business to consumer sales the assumption is that you will not be VAT registered or that the goods will not be eligible for reclaiming the VAT, which is why non-trade outlets have price tags that include VAT. For business to business, which farmers merchants and dealers are, and they are VAT registered, it is assumed that you will know where you stand and quotes will invariably be +VAT. 99.9% of customers know this or, if they forget, accept that the VAT will inevitably be added. There's alway the one though. :rolleyes:

As an aside, in the USA, prices are quoted before tax even in retail shops. Seldom is the sales tax quoted on consumer goods until it is run over the till.
 
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crazy_bull

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Huntingdon
Was that a Finney by any chance? Always trying to flog sheep and cattle handling systems on facebook with more sales than DFS, although from the pics they don't look too bad. Probably should have given them a go instead. Guy I bought from wasn't Irish and nothing to do with them. Giving them a chance to refund or replace before naming them.
Have brought off Finney, is mostly Bateman stuff, and odd bit of IAE.

Can't fault the heavy duty sheep hurdles with pins.

But yes his sales patter is a bit much,

C B
 

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