Estrumate

If say had 40 suckler cows and usually run a bull but bull no longer a option.
Could house cows for few days,estrumate them and tail paint them and have AI on speed dial for 2 to 4 days later🤷‍♂️
How successful would that be?
 

Samcowman

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
Without knowing the reasons why you can’t have a bull but if it’s due to public footpaths. Could you estrumate them then use a bull to cover them then let them out after they have been served.
 

Samcowman

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
It's not that.I dont want to go into it in public(no offence)
Just looking for quickest option for getting in calf without missing heats
No worries. I tried to synch a bunch 3 years ago. Got 50% in calf. Possibly had some not hold due to loading them on a trailer and moving them too soon after serving. Have had this theory confirmed by someone my wife has worked with as well.
 

topground

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
Why bother with the extra costs of jabs when scratch cards and observation morning and evening and AI 12 hours after standing heat will achieve the same or better results? Works here although I do have my own tank, grazing close to the yard.and well trained cows together with a local dairy farmer who will AI on his way past morning and evening. No point in incurring unnecessary costs and a virtually limitless range of genetics available.
 

egbert

Member
I don't know about your specific plan - although it sounds logic enough.
But the little bit of synchronising I've had to do - generally for pedigree stuff- has only got us about 50% across the board.
(mind, if I took out the one batch that only resulted in 10%....things look a bit better.)

I like the above suggestion of housing them with the bull for a few days at the same time...........
 

egbert

Member
Even a bull in tip top condition and fertility will only get 70% pregnancies
can you illuminate?
Just during synchro'ed shenanigans? Or across the board?

My (natural service al fresco across the veldt) average is maybe that, but some bulls do much better.
I'd generally expect the South Devons to be at 80-90% of all cows that'd been calved long enough - IE not including the sluggards.
less would indicate a problem.
 
I don't know about your specific plan - although it sounds logic enough.
But the little bit of synchronising I've had to do - generally for pedigree stuff- has only got us about 50% across the board.
(mind, if I took out the one batch that only resulted in 10%....things look a bit better.)

I like the above suggestion of housing them with the bull for a few days at the same time...........
Bull not an option
 
Why bother with the extra costs of jabs when scratch cards and observation morning and evening and AI 12 hours after standing heat will achieve the same or better results? Works here although I do have my own tank, grazing close to the yard.and well trained cows together with a local dairy farmer who will AI on his way past morning and evening. No point in incurring unnecessary costs and a virtually limitless range of genetics available.
Ahh no ai tank
not well trained cows
And no local farmer to ai them on way past🙈
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
best and cheapest sync we have done, is Al for 7 days, estrumate what hasn't been served, serve to visible heats. But there will be repeats, after initial service, can you keep them, where you can, either run a bull, or be able to catch up, for further service.
or can you afford a 65% pregnancy rate, which means 35% empty.
or put confirmed pregnant cattle there.
 
Used Estrumate on some pedigree heifers which we discovered had been running with a Rig for the first time.
On reading the instructions we wanted to be sure they went to the Bull as soon as they were cycling, so left them a week after jabbing and put the bull in, presuming it would be another 3 weeks before they would be served. Two of them stood for the bull quite quickly.
My question is will these hold or will it be they will return in a month?
 

egbert

Member
Used Estrumate on some pedigree heifers which we discovered had been running with a Rig for the first time.
On reading the instructions we wanted to be sure they went to the Bull as soon as they were cycling, so left them a week after jabbing and put the bull in, presuming it would be another 3 weeks before they would be served. Two of them stood for the bull quite quickly.
My question is will these hold or will it be they will return in a month?
I've had one or two 'mis-alliance' estrumates not work. A second shot a month later is a better bet in those cases.


In your case, wanting them with the 'right' bull....not sure.
Just how much of a goat was the rig?;)
 

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