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Or AD plants.Yes and who will they be ringing to take the waste,livestock men.
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Or AD plants.Yes and who will they be ringing to take the waste,livestock men.
I hate the hypocrisy of the modern world.If a digester utilising grass and making power popped up in a stock area, offering farmers say 25 percent more for their grass than they could make feeding it to sucklers, they'd take that wouldn't they?
Mr Public appears not to want to eat meat or gluten as much, but still want to run their cars . If they can do this with a fuel that makes them feel warm and fuzzy, while they get aboard their flight to the Maldives in a jet running on tax free fuel; drinking tax- free booze while pumping out the co2 then why not?
Ethanol plant is a great home for UK wheat and the logistics, feedback, etc make most other mills look a complete joke.
Also seen osr grown on land prepared by tractor run on biofuel made on same land.
All can be done easily.
Emmissions and engine management setups are all that stops it.
Is there almost a moral obligation for livestock farmers with crop growing land to grow crops and cut animal numbers?
I am feeling that myself and reduce grass each year.
Germany apparently has no Fosil/oil fuel based under its land so fuel comes from above ground as plant based, ie osr ,wheat etc.The government have to do something to combat the reduction in diesel usage - so this makes sense as a policy for them.
They wouldn't be able to take it , the landlord /owner would take it , the rent would go up as everyone fought over what was left to hire and they would be put out business(these people might be your indirect customers for other farm products ) by a government sub that was supposed to help the industry as a whole, financed from taxes that they may have paid themselves then of course all the supply industry,haulage and meat processing would also take a hit (who also pay taxes ) .If a digester utilising grass and making power popped up in a stock area, offering farmers say 25 percent more for their grass than they could make feeding it to sucklers, they'd take that wouldn't they?
Mr Public appears not to want to eat meat or gluten as much, but still want to run their cars . If they can do this with a fuel that makes them feel warm and fuzzy, while they get aboard their flight to the Maldives in a jet running on tax free fuel; drinking tax- free booze while pumping out the co2 then why not?
Ethanol plant is a great home for UK wheat and the logistics, feedback, etc make most other mills look a complete joke.
Out of interest which way would create most efficient energy ,wheat into ethanol and then byproducts into AD or wheat straight into AD
Whats thatI think we will make a TFF infographic about this
But what I meant was ethanol is produced as a fuel ,just wandering which way would produce most joules of energy per tonDepends on your purpose ?
Ethanol is essentially a brewing process .. with a by product that can be fed to livestock.
AD is essentailly a digestion process similar to a cows stomach .. with a by product that can be used to fertilise crops.
It would be very nice to see our dear leaders following an integrated waste management system which sent waste food into such schemes AND grew reed crops or similar in our river deltas, to be harvested for AD etc .. same with seaweed.
HMG needs to stop pumping valuable nutrients into the sea IMHO.
depends just what you are doing with the land that was grass, you could well be making things worse depending on what you are doing now and how you managed the grass beforehand and how you grazed the cattle on itIs there almost a moral obligation for livestock farmers with crop growing land to grow crops and cut animal numbers?
I am feeling that myself and reduce grass each year.
Is there almost a moral obligation for livestock farmers with crop growing land to grow crops and cut animal numbers?
I am feeling that myself and reduce grass each year.
Echoes my thoughts: it's apparently so wrong if crops are grown to feed to animals to create high quality protein human food but it's ok to use the same arable land to grow crops to feed AD or bio-ethanol plants.If a digester utilising grass and making power popped up in a stock area, offering farmers say 25 percent more for their grass than they could make feeding it to sucklers, they'd take that wouldn't they?
Mr Public appears not to want to eat meat or gluten as much, but still want to run their cars . If they can do this with a fuel that makes them feel warm and fuzzy, while they get aboard their flight to the Maldives in a jet running on tax free fuel; drinking tax- free booze while pumping out the co2 then why not?
Ethanol plant is a great home for UK wheat and the logistics, feedback, etc make most other mills look a complete joke.
stupid is as stupid doesEchoes my thoughts: it's apparently so wrong if cross are grown to feed to animals to create his quality protein human food but it's ok to use the same arable land to grow crops to feed AD or bio-ethanol plants.
Echoes of the push for biodiesel which then then drive Indonesian deforestation to grow palm oil.