Hi all.. after thoughts/experiences and recommendations for a 4 bag fert spinner please?
Fert spinner
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hutchy143211
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- E. Yorkshire
Got a Kvernealnd TL goespread and really like it. Seems to spread very accurately, easy to setup and has a good user interface (tellus go+). I personally like the 4 weigh cell + reference sensor setup, preaccelleration dosing cup and 8 vanes per disc.
Steevo
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Another vote for Kv/vicon
Pre acceleration dosing cup sounds interesting. How does it work please?
hutchy143211
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Basically the fertiliser isn't dropped onto the vane of the disc, it's dropped into a round chamber in the centre of the disc instead (called centre flow system). In here it gets upto speed before centregual force causes it to leave out of an opening before its thrown by the 8 vanes. The gap/cup is rotated around by one electric actuator which changes where the fertiliser exits onto the vanes and this controls how wide it spreads/section control. There's then a second actuator which controls the flow rate out the hopper which controls application rate. In reality its a really simple system that just makes sense.
There are lots of really good videos that show how it works but essentially it stops shattering/dusting of the fert from impacting impacting vanes and so improves spreading quality. Its very noticeable in the field because there's no cloud of dust behind the spreader as its working.
Although it's a longer video Rob, who's talking and who Farmstar got to meet with us before we bought our machine, explains how all of the spreader works really well. 6-10 mins in is how the dosing works.
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Ideal thanks very much
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- Bedfordshire
Very happy with my Amazone TS. Very good headland system. Very good section control. The KV has a very flat spread pattern which you need very flat fields for, I prefer the elevated pattern of the Amazone (and Kuhn), which is much more forgiving of undulating terrain and bumpy tramlines.
Why eleventy vanes per disc is better than 2 I will never understand unless you are throwing 500 kg Ha 36m at 20kph for example (ie very high flow rates). Every handful of fert contains granules/prills of different size and shape which will have different ballistics and spread out anyway.
Don't believe the marketing hype. They all work, especially at 24m. Speak to your spreader testing professional and see what his opinion is.
Why eleventy vanes per disc is better than 2 I will never understand unless you are throwing 500 kg Ha 36m at 20kph for example (ie very high flow rates). Every handful of fert contains granules/prills of different size and shape which will have different ballistics and spread out anyway.
Don't believe the marketing hype. They all work, especially at 24m. Speak to your spreader testing professional and see what his opinion is.
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whitefox
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- central scotland(the very wet bit)
best of luck with the kuhn,i have a 40.1W,was a good spreader in its earlier years,it has an intermitent fault now,which makes it barely useable,have been trying to get some technical support/backup from kuhn for 2 yrs!!!,they wont even answer a phone or return voicemails,was really disappointed that they didnt, have a stand at the highland show this year, as i was very much looking forward to making my dissatisfaction
of their service face to face,i wont buy another!!!
Kv definitely don't need flat fields to get the spread pattern correct.
I've a lot of nasty dips and humps that a 5 furrow plough is too long for and my kv spreader doesn't make a mess .
Having said that your model of Amazone will be a better machine
fermerboy
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Had an Amazone which was a good machine, lasted well.
Got a KV exacta(same as geospread but pauper spec, no electrics!)
Like it to use, can get 4 bags in with room to spare, spreads perfect, but the gearbox seals are shite, let's water into the boxes, meaning seized bearings after a while sitting, design means fert sits on centre box too, corroding the top through in holes, a lot of geospread owners in for a shock in a few years time I reckon. Shame as its a good tool otherwise.
Mate has a KRM and rates it, another mates KRM electronics failed and it was something ridiculous like £6k to fix so he's got a geospread now.
I reckon they are all much of a muchness really.
Got a KV exacta(same as geospread but pauper spec, no electrics!)
Like it to use, can get 4 bags in with room to spare, spreads perfect, but the gearbox seals are shite, let's water into the boxes, meaning seized bearings after a while sitting, design means fert sits on centre box too, corroding the top through in holes, a lot of geospread owners in for a shock in a few years time I reckon. Shame as its a good tool otherwise.
Mate has a KRM and rates it, another mates KRM electronics failed and it was something ridiculous like £6k to fix so he's got a geospread now.
I reckon they are all much of a muchness really.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
I really liked the Kuhn I used on my last dairy farm, it went really well on a hilly farm with lots of bumps, contours, banks etc as it seemed to throw granules quite high.
Not sure if that is relevant to your situation at all, but it was very well built, it looked like brand new after a wash, no corrosion and quite a basic, easy machine to set up.
Bogballe I used earlier on was also very robust, not as simple as the Kuhn by quite a way, but very good once set up.
Not sure if that is relevant to your situation at all, but it was very well built, it looked like brand new after a wash, no corrosion and quite a basic, easy machine to set up.
Bogballe I used earlier on was also very robust, not as simple as the Kuhn by quite a way, but very good once set up.
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- Wiltshire
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- Wiltshire
KRM M2W here, it’s 8 years old and not touched the electrics yet. Might change for next year and looking at the options. KRM don’t seem to have moved on and I’m looking to see what the alternatives are like. Do wonder about the krm headland spread pattern.
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A few things .
It would need the Argus twin to sort spread pattern on steep ground or it will be no better .
Better border spread and hydraulic drive being the main ones .
I suspect kv will still be better having more vanes but I've a mate that spreads at 20k at 36m wide with an Amazone za ts so they must can cope with only 2 vanes per disc .
My latest kv is a pig to wash compared to my first one a 2017 model
Amazone are doing section control different from now on and looks a very good idea .
Another thing is with the hydraulic drive you get to check what's going out each side as there's a pressure check on each disc motor and as of next year that'll be checking for Flow / rate as well and you have the weigher to check overall.
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- Wiltshire
Really like the idea of hydraulic drive, Have very few flat fields and on the steepest it can be a challenge to stop the discs spinning too fast.
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Yeah I won't have another pto machine I've had a hydraulic drive and 2 pto machines since and I'll be hydraulic again next time .
If you're proper steep stay away from kuhn and Amazone except the za ts with argus twin .
Kv are very very good on steep stuff . I used to have to do fields at half rate twice going the opposite direction with kuhn to stop stripping and it's no bother with kv .
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I have a krm bredal with belts its the best spiner we have had it will spread anything even wet in the bottom of a bag and lumps very accuraeat and verbal reat with no electronic s only downside is. it sits back of the links a bit