First load of heap 15.6%. Lodged complaint

[Adeptandy]

From experience it makes f all difference to a claim but it’s just another crap rule from rt

I gave up retaining samples when I had a dispute with Frontier, and was told it was there sample that mattered ( it went to a Frontier store ) seemed pointless after that

 

[bobk]

Yeah but its 45 deg C there for a friend of mine this week, although he has finished harvest

Not easy if you want an early start to 10,000 acres

 

[Lincsman]

I will play devils advocate, sorry. first load had exposed surface area of the heap, wheras later loads were inside the heap. Might be another explanation.

Always the case here,the top trailer load is kept back and added later.

 

[PSQ]

For balance, you get an email showing all results within a couple of hours of intake for every load into Heygates.

Well done Heygates, and well done to Frontier for doing the same at their own facilities.

But over 27 years and 30,000 tonnes/ 1040’ish loads, I’ve never had a single full quality report from an end user. I have only heard back with the weight on the self billing invoice, which I’ve paid £8.50 for, despite having weighed the load out on my own trade approved weighbridge.
And occasionally I’ve heard back with a deduction, but I choose my end users on their previous record.

 

[kiwi pom]

As per title. I rang up straight away and they're doing a retest for what it's worth.
Funny how the remaining eight loads all went in ok.

What did you test the first load off the front as?

I will play devils advocate, sorry. first load had exposed surface area of the heap, wheras later loads were inside the heap. Might be another explanation.

I'd have thought that too. If it's a big heap just taking it from one spot and digging back with the loader should blend it a bit.

At least that's what I was told to do

 

[Wombat]

Not easy if you want an early start to 10,000 acres

Some days he is not allowed to harvest if the fire risk is too much

 

[Fubar]

The above is typical of the contract model used in mainland Europe, but in the UK we are stuck with the Agriculture Industries Confederation (AIC) ‘General Contract 4-21’ which mandates rules per individual load, NOT averaged over the contract.

It’s an archaic way of trading, but it means end users and traders can make costly punitive deductions based on their own sampling of individual loads. It’s presumably also part of the reason why end users do not report load quality results back to farmers, as keeping us in the dark about ‘good quality’ loads would give us ammunition to argue the toss about the 1 load that is 0.1% ‘too wet’, and thus liable to a punitive drying charge even though it will just be blended at the intake.

And this perennial ‘farming the farmer’ scenario will stay like this till the end of time, as the NFU hasn’t got the balls, or the spine, to stand up to the AIC, as the AIC pull the strings from inside the NFU.

Absolutely this.
Is there any other industry that is so constantly shat on from so many different angles?

 

[kiwi pom]

Well done Heygates, and well done to Frontier for doing the same at their own facilities.

But over 27 years and 30,000 tonnes/ 1040’ish loads, I’ve never had a single full quality report from an end user. I have only heard back with the weight on the self billing invoice, which I’ve paid £8.50 for, despite having weighed the load out on my own trade approved weighbridge.
And occasionally I’ve heard back with a deduction, but I choose my end users on their previous record.

Does anyone actually ask for the weights and results, hauliers must know what it weighed and what the moisture was etc?
I'd have thought these would be things to sort when a contract was agreed, or is it all done by third parties and farmers don't even know where it's going?

 

[Derky]

Where was the home ? Are they ring checked on their equipment ? If they are i would be very surprised they are lifting your leg.

 

[Banana Bar]

I hate to mention it but you should retain a sample of each load for red tractor

No you don’t, unless when you say should you mean recommend. It’s not a requirement.

 

[collywol]

When I was working, we’d never let a load go to be tipped on a Friday afternoon, if it was rejected it was probably cos they were full, same load back Monday, straight in. Once had a moisture claim on a load that was still in the yard, destination Liverpool docks 100 miles away.

 

[tullah]

Yes it was off the front of the heap. Just annoying £3 a ton deducted.
I still think if I hadn't pursued it straight away then further loads would have had claims.

 

[farmerm]

I hate to mention it but you should retain a sample of each load for red tractor

Advisory not compulsory… and it won’t be accepted grower could have picked a dry bit. Judge and jury at the mill with the evidence gone before you hear the result

 

[glasshouse]

Yes it was off the front of the heap. Just annoying £3 a ton deducted.
I still think if I hadn't pursued it straight away then further loads would have had claims.

16% should be the standard again.
15% was supposedly brought in for intervention, now long gone

 

[David.]

But people will then load it at nearly 17% and complain that they get a knock. I wouldn't be happy keeping grain through till June at "around 16%" to be honest.

 

[glasshouse]

But people will then load it at nearly 17% and complain that they get a knock. I wouldn't be happy keeping grain through till June at "around 16%" to be honest.

Yawn
Dry it then
Drying to 15 should be voluntary as it is a total waste of energy drying it and a waste of time waiting for the sun to dry it

 

[Grass And Grain]

The above is typical of the contract model used in mainland Europe, but in the UK we are stuck with the Agriculture Industries Confederation (AIC) ‘General Contract 4-21’ which mandates rules per individual load, NOT averaged over the contract.

It’s an archaic way of trading, but it means end users and traders can make costly punitive deductions based on their own sampling of individual loads. It’s presumably also part of the reason why end users do not report load quality results back to farmers, as keeping us in the dark about ‘good quality’ loads would give us ammunition to argue the toss about the 1 load that is 0.1% ‘too wet’, and thus liable to a punitive drying charge even though it will just be blended at the intake.

And this perennial ‘farming the farmer’ scenario will stay like this till the end of time, as the NFU hasn’t got the balls, or the spine, to stand up to the AIC, as the AIC pull the strings from inside the NFU.

NFU need to stand up to the AIC.

 

[crazy_bull]

First load off the heap is often slightly damper than the bulk as it’s absorbed atmospheric moisture. Often the floor slats have been blocked off on the shallow part to keep an even airflow through the bulk. Or the pedestals are further back in the heap.

just ask for an independent test if you doubt it

Weetabix do a full intake report on delivery emailed to supplier within minutes of tipping,
as does Cerestar I believe.

C B

 

[crazy_bull]

Yes it was off the front of the heap. Just annoying £3 a ton deducted.
I still think if I hadn't pursued it straight away then further loads would have had claims.

let’s say it is actually 15.6

£3 isn’t too bad, you have (depending on value sold at) approx £1.80/weight loss value vs drying to sub 15% let alone the drying cost. Yes it’s annoying if you are sure it’s dry, but there are precedures in place to dispute claims.
C B

 

[tullah]

But people will then load it at nearly 17% and complain that they get a knock. I wouldn't be happy keeping grain through till June at "around 16%" to be honest.

If it's cooled and blown through occasionally then it will keep.