Guttlet for drilling forage rape / turnips into sprayed off pasture

[Welsh sheep man]

Has anyone on here ever used a guttler drill for drilling turnips / rape into sprayed off pasture ? I had thought of going over thr field once without drilling to create a tilth then over again with the drill going to get a better soil to seed contact ?
all opinions and suggestions welcome , thanks

 

[Kevtherev]

Make sure pasture is bare and go over it a couple of times with your guttler before sowing then roll.
Pray for rain after!!

 

[Welsh sheep man]

right , ive been told in very dry conditions these disc direct drills arent as good as everyone first thought so thoughtmaybe using a guttler would be better as it would make a tilth ,

 

[Pistonbroke]

right , ive been told in very dry conditions these disc direct drills arent as good as everyone first thought so thoughtmaybe using a guttler would be better as it would make a tilth ,

Most people would say the other way round I would think. Putting the seed into a slot with moisture below the surface would be better than a dry week where the seeds might germinate on the surface and then die off

 

[ploughman1963]

right , ive been told in very dry conditions these disc direct drills arent as good as everyone first thought so thoughtmaybe using a guttler would be better as it would make a tilth ,

they are the bees knees in dry conditions - I suspect any issues are more likely down to an operator that hasnt researched the subject properly before letting loose with his grant aided drill

 

[Welsh sheep man]

they are the bees knees in dry conditions - I suspect any issues are more likely down to an operator that hasnt researched the subject properly before letting loose with his grant aided drill

our agronamist suggested either a guttler dril or atkinson drill as the new disc drills seem to leave a slot and doesnt then get a very good seed to soil tilth if that makes any sense

 

[Pistonbroke]

our agronamist suggested either a guttler dril or atkinson drill as the new disc drills seem to leave a slot and doesnt then get a very good seed to soil tilth if that makes any sense

I think it depends on your soil type. Discs smear the side of the slot if there's a lot of clay, tines pull stones out on to the surface What does he mean by " the new disc drills"? Moore drills have been around since the 70's I expect and the basics haven't been changed.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

our agronamist suggested either a guttler dril or atkinson drill as the new disc drills seem to leave a slot and doesnt then get a very good seed to soil tilth if that makes any sense

Having used a disc drill I would agree with that although one company will soon have a wavey disc cultivator to run up front to improve things
It's not so easy to control depth either with a disc drill , to shallow you drop the seed in turf,won't grow, to deep won't grow, I'm not suggesting in any way your an idiot but any idiot can sow seed with a tyne harrow Just keep running over it until you find some tilth , but make sure you roll it gate after

 

[ploughman1963]

Having used a disc drill I would agree with that although one company will soon have a wavey disc cultivator to run up front to improve things
It's not so easy to control depth either with a disc drill , to shallow you drop the seed in turf,won't grow, to deep won't grow, I'm not suggesting in any way your an idiot but any idiot can sow seed with a tyne harrow Just keep running over it until you find some tilth , but make sure you roll it gate after

I think the point being made was that direct drills werent much good in the dry. The opposite is the case with any direct drill that drops the seed ona solid, undisturbed base in the slot as capillary action continues to bring moisture up. A tine harrow or any cultivation breaks the soil up and disrupts the conveyance of moisture - even a good rolling wont be as good as undisturbed soil. Therefore , in a dry time, tine harrow/cultivation is less likely to succeed I would suggest. Some of our NZ contributors with experience of DD will testify to the above.

 

[Bob the beef]

IME moore drill hopeless in the dry. Leaves the slit open and it dries out with the seed sitting without moisture. Have tried rolling behind but didn’t makemuch difference.
Duncan makes a much better environment fir seeds to germinate and prosper BUT in extreme dry it wont penetrate the ground enough. Only my experience though.

This year I am getting ground rotovated to 60/70 mm after heavy muck application and will just broadcast seed on and roll. Adds up to same cost as direct drilling. Had mixed experiences lately

 

[Derrick Hughes]

right , ive been told in very dry conditions these disc direct drills arent as good as everyone first thought so thoughtmaybe using a guttler would be better as it would make a tilth ,

No seed will grow in dry conditions whatever you do
And grass seed as a maximum depth witch is quite shallow, so don't think by going much deeper you will improve matters, as the guy from Erth Drills told me , there are far more fails from drilling to deep than to shallow , the climate is changing , I know people will say you can't predict the weather but don't sow grass seed or turnipd if the soil is very dry and there is no sign of rain in the forecast ,

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I think the point being made was that direct drills werent much good in the dry. The opposite is the case with any direct drill that drops the seed ona solid, undisturbed base in the slot as capillary action continues to bring moisture up. A tine harrow or any cultivation breaks the soil up and disrupts the conveyance of moisture - even a good rolling wont be as good as undisturbed soil. Therefore , in a dry time, tine harrow/cultivation is less likely to succeed I would suggest. Some of our NZ contributors with experience of DD will testify to the above.

I agree that ploughed land is worse than anything for losing moisture especially if it's left to long before seeding
But I use a tine harrow for surface seeding , I've had far more success with that than with a disc drill

 

[Welsh sheep man]

thanks for all replies , got some decent rain fall forecat so going to do 15 ac with the guttler and get someone in with a DD to do the rest will let you know how we get on thanks

 

[ollie989898]

Could you direct drill the seed and then run a tined harrow or similar over the field afterward? Would this help cover the seed over and fill in the slots a bit?

The bulk of reseeding I have seen done was always done min-till behind cereals where it worked well. Carrier or joker to create some tilth- only very shallow- and then harrow box or drill into it. Roll until bored.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Could you direct drill the seed and then run a tined harrow or similar over the field afterward? Would this help cover the seed over and fill in the slots a bit?

The bulk of reseeding I have seen done was always done min-till behind cereals where it worked well. Carrier or joker to create some tilth- only very shallow- and then harrow box or drill into it. Roll until bored.

I do this before direct drilling it then provides some loose soil that falls into the slot