Honest answers, Brexiteers only, what price do you consider too high to leave the EU?

[Hindsight]

What will likely happen, in my opinion is that there will be a UK / EU trade deal, version 2.0. That will likely mean a sharp reduction in UK red lines, resulting in any one of five different versions of an oven ready deal offered by Barnier right from the outset. All were peed on by the ERG types in UK, as they infringed “sovereignty”. I think people from Lands End to John O’Groats now realise “sovereignty”, don’t butter the toast, never mind put a bit of marmalade on top!
Call your local MP and tell him which one of these offered by Barnier, you think best suits Joe the plumber, Joe the fisherman and Joe the farmer. And here’s the good thing also @The Agrarian ’s wife would be able to get that nice couch she has been planning on with a while.

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On a radio 4 The Briefing Room programme last autumn the correspondents forecast repeated revisting to the deal over the coming years as the arrangement was found wanting by both sides. And years and years of wrangling. Bit like before 1973.

 

[Pasty]

Pasty, I never said they shouldn't compete with other no European brands. They do compete now. And our house is a good example. I drive a Nissan built in Sunderland. My wife did drive an Audi which end of 2020 she replaced with a nearly new BMW. My wife has always had German brands. And she will continue to do so while she can afford them.

I was just commenting each to their own. Just that as this Brexit thingy doesn't seem to be working quite as forecast the Brexit folk seem to have a different view now of the Sunny Uplands. Those who did prefer to Remain are somewhat perplexed that the forecast of those fellas Gove, Farage, Hannan and Johnson somehow are not quite turning out to be as they said, and we are just calling them out - as they are still in charge, so why should we believe a thing they say now.

Looks as though it will be cabbage and spuds - and watching Jamie Oliver of catch up to see an Aubergine being cooked. I dread to think what the Waitrose crew will do.

No, that's not true. As with any divorce, there will be disturbance and cost. But the end result will be better if the relationship was bad. Most people who voted leave expected some serious turmoil but are thinking 50 to 100 years into the future and not just for themselves. The fact that the EU are behaving like petulant children is out of our control. Same as an abandoned wife with a punishment complex brought on by her own behaviour. It won't be cabbage and spuds, it will be just fine and it will probably be better than that and I think that is why the frantic remainers are going nuts just like the bitcoin deniers are furious that they were wrong.

 

[arcobob]

I seem to notice a proliferation of adverts for French wine being placed by UK importers. They appear to be suffering, not only from the closure of restaurants but also from thumbs down by home drinkers. The Aussies on the other hand are enjoying a boom in exports of wine to the UK.
There are two sides to every coin.

 

[Hindsight]

No, that's not true. As with any divorce, there will be disturbance and cost. But the end result will be better if the relationship was bad. Most people who voted leave expected some serious turmoil but are thinking 50 to 100 years into the future and not just for themselves. The fact that the EU are behaving like petulant children is out of our control. Same as an abandoned wife with a punishment complex brought on by her own behaviour. It won't be cabbage and spuds, it will be just fine and it will probably be better than that and I think that is why the frantic remainers are going nuts just like the bitcoin deniers are furious that they were wrong.

50 - 100 years. Good to see you read the memo from the Brexit high command the Rt Hon member for the 17C Rees Mogg. Shame only my daughter or possibly her grandchildren will be able to report success or no. I do find these analogies with a wife rather odd. When you divorced di you think 'great in 50 years I will be able to say that was the right thing to do'. Keep em coming Pasty, a bit of TFF tennis on a bitterly cold Saturday morning idles away the time - but its going to be a log time to idle away those 50 years batting back and forth on TFF. Certainly a five set with tie breakers.

 

[Hindsight]

I seem to notice a proliferation of adverts for French wine being placed by UK importers. They appear to be suffering, not only from the closure of restaurants but also from thumbs down by home drinkers. The Aussies on the other hand are enjoying a boom in exports of wine to the UK.
There are two sides to every coin.

How odd Arco - according to the news I read (which as you know is that fake organ the BBC - spit) the Aussies are in a muddle with there wine trade. China has left the Aussies in the lurch. And thus there are indeed some deals into UK. But not sure in solidarity with your Aussie grape farmer that is necessarily what he would want?

How a blow to Australian wine shows tensions with China

The once successful trade story now represents a worst case scenario of the bilateral tensions.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[czechmate]

I seem to notice a proliferation of adverts for French wine being placed by UK importers. They appear to be suffering, not only from the closure of restaurants but also from thumbs down by home drinkers. The Aussies on the other hand are enjoying a boom in exports of wine to the UK.
There are two sides to every coin.

I wonder how significant the uk market was for french wine?
I guess the virus here is far far more significant

 

[Pasty]

50 - 100 years. Good to see you read the memo from the Brexit high command the Rt Hon member for the 17C Rees Mogg. Shame only my daughter or possibly her grandchildren will be able to report success or no. I do find these analogies with a wife rather odd. When you divorced di you think 'great in 50 years I will be able to say that was the right thing to do'. Keep em coming Pasty, a bit of TFF tennis on a bitterly cold Saturday morning idles away the time - but its going to be a log time to idle away those 50 years batting back and forth on TFF. Certainly a five set with tie breakers.

I am not divorced.

 

[Martin Holden]

You voted in a government to take you out of the single market. Simple as that.
You - are not in our single market.
Now, you have to trade on different terms.
I am fortunate enough to have never understood “self harm”.
I still dont

Indeed that is correct. I fully get that. But what this doesn’t expose is the very protective EU market - again nothing wrong with that. I realise that the UK will be (behind the scenes) not provided any quarter by the EU as it dared to leave. It will be interesting to see where the world is in 5/10 years time.

 

[Pasty]

I wonder how significant the uk market was for french wine?
I guess the virus here is far far more significant

Not much because it's over priced crap.

 

[Martin Holden]

I laughed out loud at that. Best chuckle so far today. I highlighted the word SURVIVE. If what you are saying is the Sunny Uplands I doubt not being able to change the Beemer and have Aubergine will keep the population onside. Keep them coming. Cheers.

It was written tongue in cheek!

 

[Ashtree]

The high priests of Brexit, Farage, Mogg, IDS, et al, aren’t exactly visible these days. You couldn’t get them off the TV, with the past four years, urging on the no deal approach.
Rodents also disappear when trouble brews.

 

[Hindsight]

It was written tongue in cheek!

Keep 'em coming. All amusing stuff. Cheers.

 

[Ashtree]

Watched a bit of Live at the Apollo last night. Very boring compared to Live on TFF.

 

[Pasty]

The high priests of Brexit, Farage, Mogg, IDS, et al, aren’t exactly visible these days. You couldn’t get them off the TV, with the past four years, urging on the no deal approach.
Rodents also disappear when trouble brews.

They are on air just not on the MSM because the BBC and co have decided to de-platform them. Socialism in motion leading to communism which will be your failed wet dream because technology and de-centralisation of currency will destroy it.

 

[Martin Holden]

Watched a bit of Live at the Apollo last night. Very boring compared to Live on TFF.

All the comedians have escaped to Europe, so none left now!

 

[czechmate]

Not much because it's over priced crap.

Yes, someone elderly, very close to me decided to move a chunk of their investment and bought up half a million’s worth of it, hopefully it won’t end in tears

 

[Raider112]

You voted in a government to take you out of the single market. Simple as that.
You - are not in our single market.
Now, you have to trade on different terms.
I am fortunate enough to have never understood “self harm”.
I still dont

Are you saying that all the problems are to do with leaving the single market? we all knew there would be problems there but that's not what we're talking about.
The issue here is the awkward attitude that seems to be in place which is nothing to do with the deal we left with.
Are you saying the BOE guy is making it up? what do you think Gove was having a meeting about yesterday if not to address these issues?
Are you really saying that there is absolutely no agenda here and we are all making it up? because that's how it looks and if that's what you are telling us how much else of what you say should be taken with a pinch of salt?
This is doing neither side any good so hopefully they all come to their senses but this comes right from the top of the EU as we saw with the vaccines fiasco and the Irish border humiliation so there's obviously some sort of policy there.

 

[czechmate]

Are you saying that all the problems are to do with leaving the single market? we all knew there would be problems there but that's not what we're talking about.
The issue here is the awkward attitude that seems to be in place which is nothing to do with the deal we left with.
Are you saying the BOE guy is making it up? what do you think Gove was having a meeting about yesterday if not to address these issues?
Are you really saying that there is absolutely no agenda here and we are all making it up? because that's how it looks and if that's what you are telling us how much else of what you say should be taken with a pinch of salt?
This is doing neither side any good so hopefully they all come to their senses but this comes right from the top of the EU as we saw with the vaccines fiasco and the Irish border humiliation so there's obviously some sort of policy there.

Well. I’m sorry, but back in 2016 it was as plain as day to me (a simple peasant) that yes, this separation was going to do neither side any good.
So, guess what, I voted against it.
There is no satisfaction from me from that as all my family are living/trading in the uk but I am at least relieved that my own business is 99.9% European. I can manage for a year or two for David brown parts (it’s retired anyway), Martin leishman bits are a bit more annoying. If the sh!t really hits the fan, then farming in the uk with claas, Deere, Fendt.....?

 

[bobk]

You voted in a government to take you out of the single market. Simple as that.
You - are not in our single market.
Now, you have to trade on different terms.
I am fortunate enough to have never understood “self harm”.
I still dont

Let's not forget the thick end of £20 billion a year we were chucking in the pot to have a huge trade deficit .

 

[czechmate]

Let's not forget the thick end of £20 billion a year we were chucking in the pot to have a huge trade deficit .

Cool.
Streets paved with gold next year