Lanark texel sales, today.

[cowboysupper]

I'm well aware of what the situation is, but it makes a mockery of folks breeding functional sheep instead of stuffed pets.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're going to find difficulty persuading wealthy landowners that they can't spend whatever they want on fancy sheep and cattle. It's no different to any other person with money wanting to spend their wealth on Ferraris or horses for their own satisfaction.

 

[Ysgythan]

I think that would be true of most breeds ,there are those that are chasing the dream and then there are those producing commercial sheep or cattle.

what's more commercial than a 350,000gns lamb?

its the difference between Turner the Grand Master, and Reg Turner the painter and decorator. The pointed top of the pyramid and the broad base.

Rich people skew markets. It’s the same for everything.

 

[neilo]

I'm well aware of what the situation is, but it makes a mockery of folks breeding functional sheep instead of stuffed pets.

On the other hand, it shows the huge chasm between those in the magic circle concentrating on ‘special’ rams, and those that concentrate on producing those more functional sheep.

 

[abitdaft]

@abitdaft what is the maximum value the law should allow a tup to be sold at? You set the price and then we'll all knock the feck out of your reasoning.

Anyone can pay what they can afford and good luck to them. Just to turn your question around, put up a few pics videos of the lamb and let everyone on the forum knock the feck out of 350 grand value? We all know that the price for these high end price sheep are off the back of windmill money etc, it is a clique of buyers ( consortiums )and the money goes round and around and around. Not jealousy, not bitterness, just bloody obvious and it affects the commercial farmer but not in a good way. As for buying shitty end tups, we used to spend a fair bit on our tups from the circle of high fliers, pneumonia was an issue from one farm begining with a C, melting like buggery from a few others, not cheap tups either ( roughly in the 500 to 5000 quid mark. Kinda gets you thinking? We now breed our own mostly and what we buy in we know the farm and farmers welll.

 

[Woolless]

two high powered consortia going head to head.

Yes, but why? Bloodline? Physical attributes? EBVs ( )?

 

[yellowbelly]

Yes, but why? Bloodline? Physical attributes? EBVs ( )?

Just his breeder's turn

 

[Ysgythan]

Yes, but why? Bloodline? Physical attributes? EBVs ( )?

All of the above (top 1% index) plus hype and a story going back to the 1970s. I’ll tell it to you over a pint one day, but I’m too knackered to type it now.

 

[Agrivator]

The area very near Lanark was where the first French texels were imported in the early 70s.

 

[tinsheet]

Anyone got his EBVs?

 

[Ysgythan]

On the other hand, it shows the huge chasm between those in the magic circle concentrating on ‘special’ rams, and those that concentrate on producing those more functional sheep.

like Turner and Reg Turner

 

[Ysgythan]

Anyone got his EBVs?

Top 1%

 

[Ysgythan]

Top 1%

 

[Ysgythan]

In other news another lamb from the breeder’s children’s flock made 350gns.

 

[Top Tip.]

Why are folk beating themselves up over the price of this tup , when millions are paid for various sports men now that is ridiculous in my eyes.

 

[sheepwise]

Anyone can pay what they can afford and good luck to them. Just to turn your question around, put up a few pics videos of the lamb and let everyone on the forum knock the feck out of 350 grand value? We all know that the price for these high end price sheep are off the back of windmill money etc, it is a clique of buyers ( consortiums )and the money goes round and around and around. Not jealousy, not bitterness, just bloody obvious and it affects the commercial farmer but not in a good way. As for buying shitty end tups, we used to spend a fair bit on our tups from the circle of high fliers, pneumonia was an issue from one farm begining with a C, melting like buggery from a few others, not cheap tups either ( roughly in the 500 to 5000 quid mark. Kinda gets you thinking? We now breed our own mostly and what we buy in we know the farm and farmers welll.

Don't think any windmill money involved in this purchase.

 

[andybk]

like Turner and Reg Turner

not a very good analogy , the commercial world wants / needs reg turners , wouldnt want william turner to paint my factory cost a fortune , and all your doing is encouraging people to breed something that p$$s about and takes 4 or 5 years to paint your house .
When i first started in sheep i always read the various reports , used to make me laugh seeing blackface rams making 30, 000 then seeing market average of £125 lol , I realised then not to look at the headlines .

 

[neilo]

Why are folk beating themselves up over the price of this tup , when millions are paid for various sports men now that is ridiculous in my eyes.

It seems equally ridiculous imo, but if either case can be made to stack up financially then good luck to them.

It’s not a bad analogy when you think about it. Those precious footballers are about selling the dream, new strips & tickets, to supporters. High priced rams are about selling a dream to smaller flock owners. I doubt the circle make much out of each other, but they do make a tidy bit from selling the ram’s relations/in-lamb ewes/semen to all those flocks craving to hit the big time. The other lambs in the pen that are reported to have made £15k are the real money earners.

It’s all about selling a dream.

 

[andybk]

It seems equally ridiculous imo, but if either case can be made to stack up financially then good luck to them.

It’s not a bad analogy when you think about it. Those precious footballers are about selling the dream, new strips & tickets, to supporters. High priced rams are about selling a dream to smaller flock owners. I doubt the circle make much out of each other, but they do make a tidy bit from selling the ram’s relations/in-lamb ewes/semen to all those flocks craving to hit the big time. The other lambs in the pen that are reported to have made £15k are the real money earners.

It’s all about selling a dream.

but its a shame all that effort isnt put into creating world beating commercial sheep , such a waste of energy . In a few decades who will remember these rams as anything other than a headline . most of them actually take away from more vital work done by others . How many remember the charollais ram that david gardener paid £16,000 for in the 90s Glenbrook jarvis (headline record at the time ) never traced any offspring back , ever

 

[Highland Mule]

It seems equally ridiculous imo, but if either case can be made to stack up financially then good luck to them.

It’s not a bad analogy when you think about it. Those precious footballers are about selling the dream, new strips & tickets, to supporters. High priced rams are about selling a dream to smaller flock owners. I doubt the circle make much out of each other, but they do make a tidy bit from selling the ram’s relations/in-lamb ewes/semen to all those flocks craving to hit the big time. The other lambs in the pen that are reported to have made £15k are the real money earners.

It’s all about selling a dream.

Procters' website states that they have 80 ewes and have sold to a top of 16k gns for male and 7k for female. Assuming that they paid a third of the consortium price, and put over all their flock (a gamble, I'd say), then it will have cost them almost two grand a time. Sure, some might get sold as straws, but it's still a tricky one to stack up on economic grounds. It's not like you can sell 'Double DIamond' shirts for £30 a time to a million fans in another country...

 

[neilo]

but its a shame all that effort isnt put into creating world beating commercial sheep , such a waste of energy . In a few decades who will remember these rams as anything other than a headline . most of them actually take away from more vital work done by others . How many remember the charollais ram that david gardener paid £16,000 for in the 90s Glenbrook jarvis (headline record at the time ) never traced any offspring back , ever

I remember him. Jaffa’s don’t normally leave many progeny though.