Mole ploughing in a water main!

[Cow_calver]

does anyone know if this is allowed in scotland? im 800m from nearest water main for house connection so will need to either mole in a pipe or dig a trench the full way, i see online i could buy a moler for around £350, this could then be used for other jobs around the farm in future

 

[organicguy]

If you cannot mole it in ,hire a trencher, so much quicker and tidier than digger.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I have the same job to do here, and was told by Welsh Water, the pipe has to be 750mm down, and they want to inspect every 100m to make sure it is. Also, with Welsh Water, they are insisting on barrier pipe (at just under £5/m) instead of normal 25mm blue pipe. I am waiting for a contractor to come and do the job (he specialises in moling in Wind Farm electrical cables). I think a normal tractor won't pull a mole that deep. I asked another local contractor to do the job with a tractor and he started talking about having to pull the tractor/mole plough with a digger to get it that deep!

 

[nxy]

I have the same job to do here, and was told by Welsh Water, the pipe has to be 750mm down, and they want to inspect every 100m to make sure it is. Also, with Welsh Water, they are insisting on barrier pipe (at just under £5/m) instead of normal 25mm blue pipe. I am waiting for a contractor to come and do the job (he specialises in moling in Wind Farm electrical cables). I think a normal tractor won't pull a mole that deep. I asked another local contractor to do the job with a tractor and he started talking about having to pull the tractor/mole plough with a digger to get it that deep!

We can get down 80-90cm deep with this

https://www.rabaud.com/en/products/sub-soilers/draining-sub-soiler-.html

You don't have to get down that deep in one pass. Just go through multiple times according to the grip and horse power available and lay the pipe once you have reached the depth.

 

[Kidds]

The 750mm required depth means you are likely to go through any tile drains in the process.
How do you satisfy the marker tape above the pipe requirement?

Yes it can be done but probably not to the standard the utility company expect.

 

[Lakesdigger]

Water board will likely want pipe sanded in any case which can only be done if open trench and as said marker tape as well.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Can you persuade them that you need a 32mm connection for a trough 3m from their pipe? Once meter is in you can do what you want with pipe after!!!!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Water board will likely want pipe sanded in any case which can only be done if open trench and as said marker tape as well.

they said to me that they didn't want it sanded, but the 750mm and barrier pipe were non negotiable.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

Can you persuade them that you need a 32mm connection for a trough 3m from their pipe? Once meter is in you can do what you want with pipe after!!!!

Exactly what I thought just say it’s for a caravan at side of road put a standpipe in few meters of pipe job done

jusy Googled barrier pipe it specifically says it’s for contaminated land…

 

[Doing it for the kids]

I have the same job to do here, and was told by Welsh Water, the pipe has to be 750mm down, and they want to inspect every 100m to make sure it is. Also, with Welsh Water, they are insisting on barrier pipe (at just under £5/m) instead of normal 25mm blue pipe. I am waiting for a contractor to come and do the job (he specialises in moling in Wind Farm electrical cables). I think a normal tractor won't pull a mole that deep. I asked another local contractor to do the job with a tractor and he started talking about having to pull the tractor/mole plough with a digger to get it that deep!

they said to me that they didn't want it sanded, but the 750mm and barrier pipe were non negotiable.

Exactly what I thought just say it’s for a caravan at side of road put a standpipe in few meters of pipe job done

jusy Googled barrier pipe it specifically says it’s for contaminated land…

I’m working with Thames water (against them) for a 63mm for a very long way.

They too said barrier pipe. Cost difference was a 5 figure sum so big argument followed. They finally agreed on soil sampling which Ive just done to prove no contam 1 m down….

I’d start by asking what their justification is for barrier pipe. We will trench ours in then we can see any broken drains and fix

 

[nick...]

I do a fair bit laying water mains.Anglian water want pipe a metre down and I put lengths of 110mm drain pipe on top vertically at intervals so they can measure depth after the back filling.
nick…

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Exactly what I thought just say it’s for a caravan at side of road put a standpipe in few meters of pipe job done

jusy Googled barrier pipe it specifically says it’s for contaminated land…

we have an oil tank for the central heating in the garden, it is a bunded tank, however, they said the delivery pipe could still leak. As to barrier pipe over the field, they said there are tractors driving on the field, and a diesel leak is possible. This the same Welsh Water that is happy to pump pure excrement into the Teifi in Cardigan!

 

[Scholsey]

does anyone know if this is allowed in scotland? im 800m from nearest water main for house connection so will need to either mole in a pipe or dig a trench the full way, i see online i could buy a moler for around £350, this could then be used for other jobs around the farm in future

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I presume for £350 you are talking about this? Something tells me it won’t last long if you’re trying to get down to 750mm, one bit of rock and the pipe tube on the back would be straight off!

 

[BrianV]

does anyone know if this is allowed in scotland? im 800m from nearest water main for house connection so will need to either mole in a pipe or dig a trench the full way, i see online i could buy a moler for around £350, this could then be used for other jobs around the farm in future

If you buy a mole plough do one pass without any pipe in to be sure you don’t hit rocks, then when you have a clear run keeping the plough all the way at the correct depth follow the same slit with pipe onboard as it will now run easily, nothing worse than hitting rocks when ploughing in the pipe & then having to make a sudden correction.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

we have an oil tank for the central heating in the garden, it is a bunded tank, however, they said the delivery pipe could still leak. As to barrier pipe over the field, they said there are tractors driving on the field, and a diesel leak is possible. This the same Welsh Water that is happy to pump pure excrement into the Teifi in Cardigan!

And what Main is in the road I bet its mdpe…complete nobs

 

[Doing it for the kids]

And what Main is in the road I bet its mdpe…complete nobs

Yes I pointed that out to TW. They didn’t like it at all!

 

[Cow_calver]

I have the same job to do here, and was told by Welsh Water, the pipe has to be 750mm down, and they want to inspect every 100m to make sure it is. Also, with Welsh Water, they are insisting on barrier pipe (at just under £5/m) instead of normal 25mm blue pipe. I am waiting for a contractor to come and do the job (he specialises in moling in Wind Farm electrical cables). I think a normal tractor won't pull a mole that deep. I asked another local contractor to do the job with a tractor and he started talking about having to pull the tractor/mole plough with a digger to get it that deep!

thats deep i thought 24 inches was the depth to lay it which a moler mould do at its max, are you in an area where the frost line is especially deep? never heard of barrier pipe thats a big expense to run 800m

alternatively i could just connect at the steading where the house is being build to the farm supply but i dont know how this would affect getting it signed off for mortgage completion certificate etc?

 

[Cow_calver]

If you cannot mole it in ,hire a trencher, so much quicker and tidier than digger.

are they expensive and do scottish water allow this option?

 

[Cow_calver]

We can get down 80-90cm deep with this

https://www.rabaud.com/en/products/sub-soilers/draining-sub-soiler-.html

You don't have to get down that deep in one pass. Just go through multiple times according to the grip and horse power available and lay the pipe once you have reached the depth.

looks a good machine but not cheap?

 

[Cow_calver]

The 750mm required depth means you are likely to go through any tile drains in the process.
How do you satisfy the marker tape above the pipe requirement?

Yes it can be done but probably not to the standard the utility company expect.

whats the marker tape? it says sand on their website but im yet to find out from them if moling gets round this requirement or not