Mole ploughing in a water main!

[Cow_calver]

Can you persuade them that you need a 32mm connection for a trough 3m from their pipe? Once meter is in you can do what you want with pipe after!!!!

interesting idea, i have metered water at the steading where the house will be built which i could in theory tap into but when i approached Scottish water about a connection they send a pic of a seperate connection to the water main 800m away and the other side of a road

 

[Cow_calver]

Exactly what I thought just say it’s for a caravan at side of road put a standpipe in few meters of pipe job done

jusy Googled barrier pipe it specifically says it’s for contaminated land…

its for building a house so scottish water would likely find out during inspections for building control etc?

 

[Cow_calver]

I’m working with Thames water (against them) for a 63mm for a very long way.

They too said barrier pipe. Cost difference was a 5 figure sum so big argument followed. They finally agreed on soil sampling which Ive just done to prove no contam 1 m down….

I’d start by asking what their justification is for barrier pipe. We will trench ours in then we can see any broken drains and fix

how long are you going that you need 63mm? my distance is around 800m

 

[Lincsman]

Is this pipe going in your own land rather than public area? if so i am not sure it matters too much what you do.
I laid a 32 mm pipe about 400m long down a roadside verge from an old field meter about 20 years ago to remote buildings, did it in a morning with the mole drainer dragging each 100m behind the mole ball.

 

[Cow_calver]

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I presume for £350 you are talking about this? Something tells me it won’t last long if you’re trying to get down to 750mm, one bit of rock and the pipe tube on the back would be straight off!

ah fair point it does look a bit flimsey

 

[Cow_calver]

Is this pipe going in your own land rather than public area? if so i am not sure it matters too much what you do.
I laid a 32 mm pipe about 400m long down a roadside verge from an old field meter about 20 years ago to remote buildings, did it in a morning with the mole drainer dragging each 100m behind the mole ball.

yes its across my own fields but needs to cross a public side road too which could complicate matters

 

[Lincsman]

yes its across my own fields but needs to cross a public side road too which could complicate matters

In my case they just read the meter, they have no idea where it goes, a duct under the public road would be good if there is a way of installing it, otherwise you can get a company to drive a mole under it from holes each side of the road. Anglian water actually do that for smallish pipes even today.

 

[Kidds]

whats the marker tape? it says sand on their website but im yet to find out from them if moling gets round this requirement or not

Marker tape that just says water pipe below, lay in the trench above the pipe so in future the digger finds it first rather than hitting the pipe. Required here.

If you have water you can tap into on site already I'd use that unless you think you might want to separate the house from the steading sometime in the future.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

its for building a house so scottish water would likely find out during inspections for building control etc?

It nothing to do with building regs, it’s purely a spec form the supplier which is not required unless you off through polluted land, my supply is off a spring they have no idea of pipe etc but it’s no problem for regs.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

how long are you going that you need 63mm? my distance is around 800m

About double!

 

[nxy]

looks a good machine but not cheap?

Its been a while since someone I know asked for a price but something like about 8k if I remember correctly, though the way prices are going up it could be more.

Mine owes me nothing, 20 years ago it was about 3200 and I have done quite a lot of drainage with it. The original leg is now just a mess of welded on bits and pieces.

 

[Cow_calver]

Marker tape that just says water pipe below, lay in the trench above the pipe so in future the digger finds it first rather than hitting the pipe. Required here.

If you have water you can tap into on site already I'd use that unless you think you might want to separate the house from the steading sometime in the future.

ah i see, no ill likely never seperate the two but i do need a self build mortgage on the house, would they check if it had an independant water supply and devalue it it it doesnt? also will the steading water be contaminated with water troughs etc?

 

[Cow_calver]

It nothing to do with building regs, it’s purely a spec form the supplier which is not required unless you off through polluted land, my supply is off a spring they have no idea of pipe etc but it’s no problem for regs.

would building control and mortgage company not check for an independant water supply?

 

[Lincsman]

ah i see, no ill likely never seperate the two but i do need a self build mortgage on the house, would they check if it had an independant water supply and devalue it it it doesnt? also will the steading water be contaminated with water troughs etc?

Water mains do not get contaminated if the tanks etc are correctly plumbed.. required by law i think.

 

[Kidds]

ah i see, no ill likely never seperate the two but i do need a self build mortgage on the house, would they check if it had an independant water supply and devalue it it it doesnt? also will the steading water be contaminated with water troughs etc?

I doubt they would even ask but no expert on the subject. Wouldn't expect them to be interested and as far as value goes it is so easy to remedy I doubt it would have any effect.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

would building control and mortgage company not check for an independant water supply?

As long as it has running water they don’t ask where it’s from,
Regs don’t care either

 

[steveR]

It nothing to do with building regs, it’s purely a spec form the supplier which is not required unless you off through polluted land, my supply is off a spring they have no idea of pipe etc but it’s no problem for regs.

Well according to STW, pretty well all farm land is considered to be "contaminated"... Bizarre!

We had 400m+ of pipe installed by a developer after they built a housing development over our existing water pipe. So a new connection and meter.

Then 400m+ of barrier pipe was dug into the verge alongside our farm lane until they reached the existing pipe, then joined it up (and what a palaver that was too...)

Cost was astronomic. STW were supposed to check the pipework and private connection, but failed to appear... at all.

 

[steveR]

Water mains do not get contaminated if the tanks etc are correctly plumbed.. required by law i think.

Same for stand pipes needing anti-siphon taps. Water Co's hate them and the same for hose pipes in a farm environment!

 

[wanton dwarf]

I have the same job to do here, and was told by Welsh Water, the pipe has to be 750mm down, and they want to inspect every 100m to make sure it is. Also, with Welsh Water, they are insisting on barrier pipe (at just under £5/m) instead of normal 25mm blue pipe. I am waiting for a contractor to come and do the job (he specialises in moling in Wind Farm electrical cables). I think a normal tractor won't pull a mole that deep. I asked another local contractor to do the job with a tractor and he started talking about having to pull the tractor/mole plough with a digger to get it that deep!

If the meter is close to the main then surely from the meter onwards it's your responsibility & can do what you want ?

 

[Doing it for the kids]

If the meter is close to the main then surely from the meter onwards it's your responsibility & can do what you want ?

If only. Did you know you aren’t allowed to connect anything more on to a metered supply now?!

In our situation, they will not adopt our pipes (despite trying to force us to build to their daft spec) but want meters at every dwelling as well as a non billing sub meter at the start, all paid for by us.