PC Andrew Harper

[SilliamWhale]

There are good and bad people from all backgrounds, I didn't make any distinction? The Human Rights Act protects your right to life (article 2). My complaint is that the victim has not been protected and extreme case like this where there is a complete lack of humanity. The defendants failed to stop & check whether their actions would result in the death of another human, in this case a Police officer. It was inhumane and I doubt there's any remorse. They have chosen to live outside the boundaries of decent law abiding society and the law shouldn't protect their human rights - and in the case of killing an officer of the law, the right to life itself.

I suppose the thing is that the law is dispassionate. And I suppose it has to be in order to reach the verdict. If you have a murder trial and the killing is extremely brutal and sickening vs a murder that wasn't (ie gunshot) it is not the jurys remit to consider the brutality of the killing. Its their decision to decide if there was murder or not. The judge can then appropriate the sentence.

Fwiw there are plenty of people who think we should evolve from a jury system for a lot of such cases and move to more judge based system...

 

[ollie989898]

I understand the man was dragged over a mile along a road. He died as a result. Exactly how long do you expect someone to be dragged along a road and survive? Half a mile? A quarter? How is this not murder? I hit him in the head with a hammer your honour but didn't expect him to die?

The human rights act is a failure and the lawyers who have made fortunes from it are a disgrace in my view.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I understand the man was dragged over a mile along a road. He died as a result. Exactly how long do you expect someone to be dragged along a road and survive? Half a mile? A quarter? How is this not murder? I hit him in the head with a hammer your honour but didn't expect him to die?

The human rights act is a failure and the lawyers who have made fortunes from it are a disgrace in my view.

Well you can punch someone in the face and they could die...

Its nothing to do with the human rights act

 

[AT Aloss]

Well you can punch someone in the face and they could die...

Its nothing to do with the human rights act

Probably best not though...

 

[ollie989898]

Well you can punch someone in the face and they could die...

Its nothing to do with the human rights act

It is high time this country sorted the prison system.

These 'people' killed a man in a most hideous way. They should be locked up until their lives expire.

Human rights act is complete waste of time and one of the reasons the UK is unable to deport serious criminals or is forced to take back known terrorists. Again, people like this should be locked up forever. We are far too liberal in these matters.

People who are willing to break the laws of society repeatedly or in such a serious way should be confined and removed from that society permanently. Enough is enough.

 

[teslacoils]

Now the ambulance chasing begins.

PC Andrew Harper death: Innocent man's family 'torn apart' by murder charge

Jed Foster was charged with killing PC Andrew Harper before the case against him was dropped.

www.bbc.co.uk

Few years in jail for his mates. Nice fat payout perhaps for this one. Plenty to go around. Expect plod settlement.

 

[JP1]

There are good and bad people from all backgrounds, I didn't make any distinction? The Human Rights Act protects your right to life (article 2). My complaint is that the victim has not been protected and in extreme cases like this there is a complete lack of humanity. The defendants failed to stop & check whether their actions would result in the death of another human, in this case a Police officer. It was inhumane and I doubt there's any remorse. They have chosen to live outside the boundaries of decent law abiding society and the law shouldn't protect their human rights - and in the case of killing an officer of the law, the right to life itself.

All went out the window when they laughed when they were arrested and laughed in court . B@llocks to political correctness and “human rights” what of the rights of the widow and the children robbed of their Dad

Well if you can’t prove beyond doubt murder then we need a higher tier of manslaughter of a police officer and everyone of us should get behind this for the protection of said officers as well as society. Perfect time to bring it forward and wrap it up in some anti terrorism news laws

 

[ollie989898]

There is police dashcam footage of this incident.

 

[Wurzeetoo]

Hopefully karma will come into play when they are released from their pathetic sentencing. Can imagine every copper in the country will take great pleasure in black marking them

 

[Grassman]

All this has nothing to do with the manslaughter/murder issue. They haven't got away with murder because their gypsy's it was because the jury couldn't be totally convinced it was murder which has a strong element of premeditated about it.

Seems crazy that the police officer doing his daily job restraining a very large known armed robber is facing a murder charge just because the victim was black yet these career criminals only get manslaughter.
The world is going mad.

 

[Grassman]

I would gladly pay another £1k a year tax to get decent sized police force capable of doing their job and a prison service to match.

 

[JCfarmer]

Now the ambulance chasing begins.

PC Andrew Harper death: Innocent man's family 'torn apart' by murder charge

Jed Foster was charged with killing PC Andrew Harper before the case against him was dropped.

www.bbc.co.uk

Few years in jail for his mates. Nice fat payout perhaps for this one. Plenty to go around. Expect plod settlement.

Another robbing baastard

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

All went out the window when they laughed when they were arrested and laughed in court . B@llocks to political correctness and “human rights” what of the rights of the widow and the children robbed of their Dad

Well if you can’t prove beyond doubt murder then we need a higher tier of manslaughter of a police officer and everyone of us should get behind this for the protection of said officers as well as society. Perfect time to bring it forward and wrap it up in some anti terrorism news laws

It's reported that they went equipped with an axe, 2 crowbars and a baseball bat. Clear evidence of intent. The crowbars may have had a use in removing the quad but an axe and a baseball bat?

 

[Still Farming]

No deterrent for others planning their activities.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Seems crazy that the police officer doing his daily job restraining a very large known armed robber is facing a murder charge just because the victim was black yet these career criminals only get manslaughter.
The world is going mad.

You mean George Floyd 8000 miles away?

 

[Grassman]

You mean George Floyd 8000 miles away?

Exactly.

 

[DeeGee]

Its a horrific case but if the jurors who sat through the case couldn't feel they convict them of murder (and personally I can see why - beyond all reasonable doubt being key etc) I have to say I trust the legal system here.

It will be interesting to see how long they get sentenced for. Hopefully a long time.

I bet they will eligible for release after about 5 years. Hope I am wrong though; justice would be to knock the grins off their mugs by dragging them for a mile at forty mph and see how funny they find that.
British law will always ensure that justice is never done.

 

[DeeGee]

Every case like this where the law seems useless and seems to be working for the criminal underclass rather than the victims just drives hoards more ordinary people into silent agreement with right wing extremists. I fear that at this rate, sooner or later a critical mass of people will lose faith in the criminal justice system and it will be replaced by more direct and summary action either through the ballot box or otherwise. This is exactly what happened in 1930's Germany. And the libtards will wake up and wondered how it happened.
As rural dwellers we seem to be on the wrong end of a particularly shitty stick in terms of failure to protect our property and the fact that many animals considered as vermin now have more rights than we do. It really does grate. I just don't feel the criminal justice system is on our side any more. I don't the blame the police on the ground as much as the legislators who shape the law, most of whom must have difficulty lying straight in bed at night.

I think you have perfectly summed up just how the majority of ordinary decent people now feel in this country.

The danger is that the general lack of deterrents to crime and the overt protection and promotion of ‘minority’ groups and interests, risks driving normally tolerant and law abiding people into a perfectly understandable mentality of being frustrated and angry vigilantes; driven by necessity to guard their own property and their communities.

 

[kiwi pom]

If this had happened in the US they would have either all given up straight away and been removed from the vehicle at gunpoint with officers at a safe distance or they would all have been shot when they tried to get away. The current method of police running up to vehicles and trying to pull doors open and detain people is far too dangerous.
Arming and retraining all officers in vehicle stops and allowing police to use lethal force when officer lives are in danger would stop a large proportion of situations when criminals try to flee.
Running from the police is just a game for some, we need to change the rules of the game.

 

[SilliamWhale]

You mean George Floyd 8000 miles away?

I think American policing has a world of problems that our police do not have. I hate the way BLM has infected people's attitude to the police in the UK